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Old 11-08-2011, 00:47   #1
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Default 'Quest' low 'net carb' bars tested...

The Boulder Very Low Carb Diabetes Support Group (w/David Mendosa) tests Quest "Net Carb" Bars:

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Bear in mind these are DIABETIC results - non-diabetics may have a different outcome, but I doubt it...

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No kidding! when i started this journey, i asked many people about these bars, and none had any real answers for me

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Well, when Type 1's who bolus for the bar are spiking 50 points... that's a little scary...

My current bar is 16g TOTAL carb, I'll stick with those when in a pinch.

When I want protein though, I usually opt for a no-carb shake.

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Thanks for posting this, Beefy. So the questions this brings to my mind are, did they lie on the nutrition label or does it make a difference what type of fiber is in an item or is the whole thing about counting net carbs false. It would be good to see the results when testing a different food to have something to compare it with.


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What about the protein? Is it possible that with that large amount of easily digestible protein that gluconeogenesis could have occurred in time to affect those readings?

For a good test, it would need to be ONLY carbs + fiber without anything else and measure the result.

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i find it easier to just not eat things like that

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Wow - really? Okaaay, I'm going to be more attentive. When I first ate one I had no spike, and do eat them occasionally on the go, and keep one in my purse.

Maybe if I stop that, I could stop metformin!

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i find it easier to just not eat things like that
Yeah, except this question doesn't just apply to "things like that". The concept of "net carbs", i.e., that actual carbs equals the total carbs (which includes fiber) minus fiber is the question at hand. It applies to all kinds of foods including natural ones.

An even more controversial one is subtracting sugar alcohols from total carbs like Atkins bars do. That, of course, doesn't apply to any real foods. Sugar alcohols in general are not metabolized like equal grams of carbs, but may be partially metabolized and maybe by some people more than others.

I still think a good test - without the possible confounding variable of lots of simultaneous protein consumption - would be valuable, but this wasn't it. It is not clear what, if anything, these results mean.

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Well, at least now I know what a Qwest bar is, and I know not to EAT any.

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I have a case, minus one bar, if anyone else would like to try them, pm me!

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