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Old 10-01-2016, 21:06   #21
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Gaining and losing weight is all about calories in versus calories out. If more go out than go in every day you lose weight, if more go in than out you gain weight. You could try taking a protein supplement like bodybuilders use and that should make you gain weight. Always talk to your doctor first though!

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Gaining and losing weight is all about calories in versus calories out. If more go out than go in every day you lose weight, if more go in than out you gain weight. You could try taking a protein supplement like bodybuilders use and that should make you gain weight. Always talk to your doctor first though!

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I don't think that always applies, especially to diabetics. I dramatically lowered my carb intake, but offset that by dramatically increasing my fat intake...my daily carb count was about even....yet without any added activity in 60 months I lost 50 lbs.!

Now 12 months beyond that, I have lost no more weight, but still eating the same low carb high fat model, with relatively the same activity levels and caloric intake....

I think with me, and most diabetics, you can move towards a more normalized weight by dramatically reducing carbs. If you are overweight you drop weight if your a underweight you gain weight...

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There's a whole lot more going on than just calories in/calories out. This well explained and well researched article explains in detail.
https://authoritynutrition.com/debun...-calorie-myth/

It is very hard for us who have lived our whole lives accepting the low-fat and calorie restriction as the best way of eating to get our heads around the fact that this just isn't so.

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Gaining and losing weight is all about calories in versus calories out. If more go out than go in every day you lose weight, if more go in than out you gain weight. You could try taking a protein supplement like bodybuilders use and that should make you gain weight. Always talk to your doctor first though!
That COULD be true on some level, but in practice it just isn't. Part of the reason is that there are more ways "out" than believers in this theory every bother to look at. Essentially, it is useless because it is impossible to implement.

For starters, if you wanted this to work, you'd have to measure a LOT more things than just "calories" and "energy expenditure" (usually limited to just exercise and movement). For example:

1) You'd have to measure every single calorie that exits with feces or urine. Everyone would have some there in stool. If you enter ketosis, you will also be peeing out "calories" in the form of ketones. Uncontrolled diabetics will also be peeing out glucose.

2) Internal heat generation. How many "calories" were expended generating internal heat? Incidentally, this is another thing that goes UP on a LC/HF regimen. How would you measure that? Insulation co-efficient of clothing worn plus ambient temperature? If a person wore fewer layers of clothing at the same temperature, that would be proof of additional "calories out". I don't think anyone has attempted to account for that.

3) Additionally, if one is in ketosis, you EXHALE calories in the form of acetone. That would need to be counted, too.

It was just an n=1, but there was one blogger who tested this on himself. First, he ate a 6000 calorie diet which was very high carb - a slightly exaggerated SAD. The weight gain actually came in about 10% HIGHER than CI/CO would predict. Next, after returning to baseline, he ate 6000 calories of VHF (or LC/HF) for the same period. There was very little weight gain at all, a small fraction of what CI/CO predicted.

In short, it's just not that simple. There are so many other things you'd have to account for to make the theory work. BUT, in a homogeneous population eating a very similar diet - especially a high-sugar diet - it can come close. But, when those factors vary (as in LC/HF), its usefulness or ability to explain/predict anything evaporates.

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Well, you can't untangle that myth until you untangle the one it's based on: that saturated fat is bad for you and causes high cholesterol and heart disease. None of that is true, was never proven to be true and there is a lot more evidence to it being false than to it being true. Saturated fat is the healthiest fat. The worse fats are Omega-6 PUFA. These are nearly all those commercial oils you see in the supermarket which they've been pushing to save us from the evil SFA. Actually, they are much, much worse and this switch (which we did on a massive scale as a population) has contributed to massive health problems.

Aside from wonderful and healthy saturated fat, CO contains "medium chain triglycerides" or MCTs. Just Google that and read a little about this amazing constituent of food, hardly found anywhere outside of coconut oil and human mother's milk.

The science is out there, but it always takes the "establishment" or the official view taught in medical schools, etc. time to catch up. Meanwhile, don't hurt yourself by taking obsolete versions of reality seriously!
Hi VeeJay,
I emailed my niece yesterday. I don't like to do it, but I didn't understand how one could eat saturated fat. I want to tell you that you are a very intelligent person. No wonder you are a moderator. She did respond which I was surprised about. She told me that she has read extensively on saturated fat. Harvard has done a study on this subject. It seems that as long as one eats saturated fat and do not eat grains or sugar it even helps the heart. I have asked her many questions and she wouldn't even reply. Now she is going to call this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon to discuss alternative treatments with me and my wife. One other thing I wanted to ask, is when you are on the LCHF diet I would think you would go into hypoglycemia. How is this prevented? Last night my bs was 156 at 10pm. I was told to take a snack if below 180. Well I didn't and slept all the way through the night. I have been having a little neuropathy at bedtime and this morning my feet burned on 1/10. Nothing that really bothered me. How long do you think it will take my pancreas to get back to normal after being on the 50mg of Januvia after 3 months? This is because of the 200 reading at noon yesterday. I was worried about the evening reading and it turned out to be 103. I may have asked to many questions so take your time. Does the forum shut down at night? I live in the Phoenix area and many people live in other time zones. Sam

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I don't need to fear my blood sugar going low because I am not taking any medication that forces my pancreas to produce insulin whether or not its needed.

So when I eat low carb, with high fat, my body is running on fats for fuel. There is no need for carbohydrates. My blood sugar stays fairly low and steady - between 100 and 120 - and occasionally dips into the low 90s.

IF, and that's a big IF, my blood sugar should drop below 70, my liver, which has stored glucose as glycogen from past meals that contain carbohydrates, can AND WILL, convert that glycogen into glucose and raise my blood sugar without my having to eat a single thing.

I sense you are afraid of going hypo. And if you are on one of the drugs that stimulate the pancreas to produce insulin, then that is a valid concern. If you are not, then there should be no fear of going hypo.

103 is an excellent level if you are diabetes med-free and should not have to be treated with eating a snack. Even if your blood sugar would drop some during the night, your liver would bring it back up. The fact that you have DP is indication that your liver is quite capable in this regard

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I don't need to fear my blood sugar going low because I am not taking any medication that forces my pancreas to produce insulin whether or not its needed.

So when I eat low carb, with high fat, my body is running on fats for fuel. There is no need for carbohydrates. My blood sugar stays fairly low and steady - between 100 and 120 - and occasionally dips into the low 90s.

IF, and that's a big IF, my blood sugar should drop below 70, my liver, which has stored glucose as glycogen from past meals that contain carbohydrates, can AND WILL, convert that glycogen into glucose and raise my blood sugar without my having to eat a single thing.

I sense you are afraid of going hypo. And if you are on one of the drugs that stimulate the pancreas to produce insulin, then that is a valid concern. If you are not, then there should be no fear of going hypo.

103 is an excellent level if you are diabetes med-free and should not have to be treated with eating a snack. Even if your blood sugar would drop some during the night, your liver would bring it back up. The fact that you have DP is indication that your liver is quite capable in this regard

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My blood sugar was 156 at bedtime last night. I do take glymepride (4mg) (also metformin)at breakfast and supper. I didn't eat a snack last night and slept well. Should I ever need to take a snack? If so at what reading at bedtime? I want to know, are you a retired doctor? Just wondered with all of your knowledge. Sam

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I do take glymepride (4mg) (also metformin)at breakfast and supper. I didn't eat a snack last night and slept well. Should I ever need to take a snack? If so at what reading at bedtime?
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It lowers blood sugar by stimulating the release of insulin by pancreatic beta cells and by inducing increased activity of intracellular insulin receptors.
So, when you take this med, it stimulates your pancreas to secrete insulin. THIS is the reason for your medical team to not want your blood sugar to be very low at bedtime, because the glymepride could still be working and making more insulin than you actually need, causing your blood sugar to drop.

It is very difficult to get consistently reasonable (below 140) when one has to keep BG up near 200 to avoid hypos during the night from the drug.

This should definitely be a topic to discuss with your niece. And to ask if you might be better off stopping this drug and doing injected insulin.

Metformin doesn't affect your immediate blood sugar level. It works on the liver to reduce its ability to dump glucose, and helps reduce insulin resistance. Metformin does not make your blood sugar go hypo.

I am not a doctor. Plus I like science and am inclined to enjoy reading about how diabetes works, etc. What I know I've learned mostly on this forum, and from Blood Sugar 101 (I highly recommend that you get the book of the same name and read it.)

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I have been reading this site, but on eBay there are two different books by the same author. The Blood Sugar 101 and Blood Sugar 101: What they don't tell you about Diabetes. Are they basically the same. Both books have the same Author. Sam

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The one with the red and blue cover was published this year. It is an updated version.

The one with the mostly white cover is the original edition. Which is why this one is less expensive. (I bought this one several years ago - I prefer reading in depth material in a book rather than on a screen!)

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