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Old 11-14-2013, 15:36   #11
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While it may be that we will have no influence over a doctor's decisions about statins, it is important that we, as individuals, are well informed so we can resist the pressure with confidence.

I'm glad this thread was started. It does, and will allow us to be knowledgeable about the subject.

My doc has moved out of my area so I will be facing a new one (from the same practice) in March. I fully intend to just smile and not argue, and if I have to accept a prescription, well, it'll just go into the recycle bin. If the new mandates require that the Rx is filled, so what. Don't intend to swallow them - ever.

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It's not just that statins have horrible side effects in the pursuit of lowering serum cholesterol. For the vast majority - especially women - the underlying object of lowering cholesterol itself is invalid. Whether done by statins or less harmful means, the evidence suggests that lowering cholesterol for most either does nothing to reduce mortality or actually increases it.

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I'm also hoping that people will add links to "cholesterol's not the problem" articles, as I think we ought to get those organized as well. Not all of us feel comfortable arguing with our doctors without some sort of backup.

Salim - we were posting at the same time, you must have read my mind.

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OWC was not on statins, and he had nice low lipids levels due to LCHF, but he still had an MI last year at age 78. I just think lipids have nothing to do with it - full stop.

I remember when I was about 60 and having monitored my cardiac health for years because of Mom's CAD, asking our doc if I were going to manifest said heart disease, wouldn't I have done it by then? He agreed at the time . . . but them OWC pulled his little stunt, and there was no history of heart disease in his family.

Who the heck would know? It's a cinch the docs don't know, and the drug companies sure as HELL don't know!

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post links to the most reputable and scientific (as opposed to blogs and pop media) sources and articles about why we shouldn't be taking statins
IMHO, to find reputable, scientific sources & articles that do not push statins in any way might be pretty much impossible because some of the statin research is done by the companies who produce the drugs, other research is done by the government and some is done via government grants, and these people aren't going to contradict what the government says (by saying that no one should take statins) and put their future grants in jeopardy. If the time ever comes where research finds that no one should take statins and that research is confirmed by other research, that would most likely mean the end of grants to study statins. They don't kill the goose that lays their golden eggs.

Some articles exist that have been written by a doc or other professional who says no one should take statins, but those few professionals are going up against what the American Heart Association, other federal agencies, and researchers say, and would probably be considered by most doctors to be a handful of people who, although well-intentioned, must be wrong.

Jenny Ruhl at BS101 posts links to various research. If you do a site search there for 'statins' you can look through some research to see if you can find what you are looking for.

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Some of the best information I have found on Cholesterol is from the blog of Dr. Peter Attia
How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us? The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

This is a half hour presentation he gave at UCSD.
Also on this website he has a nine part series on cholesterol which gets quite detailed but is very informative. More doctors should read this.

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The Statin Insanity
Another opinion from a doctor about the use of Statins.
The Statin Insanity | David H. Newman, M.D.

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Not all of us feel comfortable arguing with our doctors without some sort of backup.
Haha.. when I bring "back up" to my doctors, they refused to look at it. They are insulted that they are the "medical professional" and a "lay person" is bringing them medical info.

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Their loss . . . and one reason why I choose my docs carefully. Not interested in being treated by some arrogant nitwit who thinks the world revolves around him. Most conscientious diabetics know more about diabetes than do their doctors, and a conscientious doctor will admit that too.

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Over a year ago, Ronnie was coerced into taking stations. He switched brands more than once and had terrible muscle cramps with all of them. In Jan. He had a dizzy spell that caused him to be afraid to drive that day. I wrongly assumed he had a sinus infection and treated him for that. About a week later he said he had been sick all week. Jan. 24, 2013, Ronnie was found laying on our carport, Unconscious. He had been laying there for 3-4 hours. 18 hours later he had surgery to relieve pressure from a brain hemorrhage. Months later we finally ran across a neurologist that said he thought there was a direct correlation between brain hemorrhages and taking statin drugs. The neurologist did an MRI and MRA and removed assumptions that the hemorrhage was caused by amyloid plaque or aneurysm. I have received prescriptions for stations and samples of stations and I won't take them because I already have more than my share of bone and joint pain. Just my 2cents.

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