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Old 04-24-2012, 17:30   #1
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U.S., European groups update diabetes care guidelines | National Nursing News

I found this today while doing some research for my next video on reversing diabetes and I would love to know what you guys think. I can't help but be skeptical when it comes to the medical community and "helping" us with our diabetes BUT I am still hopeful!

Let me know what you think!

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All I can say is if the ADA is involved , WATCH OUT. All the Diabetes Education in the world whether it is in a group setting or individual will not help if they teach the same old stuff. Many of these groups are afraid to state the obvious. When you have Diabetes you have to stay away from carbs, clear and simple. They keep trying to figure out ways you can still eat your same old diet and keep bgs low. My dietician told me that 180's after meal were fine and I should be eating 60 carbs a meal plus 30 carb snacks. There is no way I would be where I am today if I had followed it. There is way too much denial in the Diabetes Community.

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U.S., European groups update diabetes care guidelines | National Nursing News

I found this today while doing some research for my next video on reversing diabetes and I would love to know what you guys think. I can't help but be skeptical when it comes to the medical community and "helping" us with our diabetes BUT I am still hopeful!

Let me know what you think!
SOSDD is what I think. They can talk about individualized approaches all they want. I don't buy it. I've seen various "announcements" over the past couple months and each one reminds me of a Shakespeare line: "full of sound and fury signifying nothing."

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All I can say is if the ADA is involved , WATCH OUT. All the Diabetes Education in the world whether it is in a group setting or individual will not help if they teach the same old stuff. Many of these groups are afraid to state the obvious. When you have Diabetes you have to stay away from carbs, clear and simple. They keep trying to figure out ways you can still eat your same old diet and keep bgs low. My dietician told me that 180's after meal were fine and I should be eating 60 carbs a meal plus 30 carb snacks. There is no way I would be where I am today if I had followed it. There is way too much denial in the Diabetes Community.
No kidding about denial in the D community. As I type this I am eating my standard lunch, chef salad with blue cheese dressing an four celery stalks diced, all the while watching my T1 coworker eating his roast beef sandwich on wheat rolls a big grab bag of Doritos fruit cup and rice Krispy treat bar; and hearing him talk about how he was diagnosed with celiacs and was told he should eat gluten free. UGj!!!!!

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If you actually go into the document, it is the same old stuff. First of all, intensive control is defined as an A1c of 7.0 vs. nonintensive control with an A1c of 7.9. The dietary recommends I have quoted directly from the pdf document as posted in the above National Nursing News:

"Patients should be encouraged to eat
healthy foods that are consistent with the
prevailing population-wide dietary recommendations
and with an individual’s
preferences and culture. Foods high in fiber
(such as vegetables, fruits,whole grains, and legumes), low-fat dairy products, and fresh
fish should be emphasized. High-energy
foods, including those rich in saturated
fats, and sweet desserts and snacks should
be eaten less frequently and in lower
amounts (50–52). Patients who eventually
lose and keep weight off usually do so after
numerous cycles of weight loss and relapse.
The health care team should remain nonjudgmental
but persistent, revisiting and
encouraging therapeutic lifestyle changes
frequently, if needed."

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You know what really annoys me about everything that is written about diabetes management and the health care team? They write/talk as if we patients can't do it without them and their "expert" advice, like we have no intelligence or ability to make our own decisions without their guidance. It is like we are a herd of untamed, unintelligent animals they must train.

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You know what really annoys me about everything that is written about diabetes management and the health care team? They write/talk as if we patients can't do it without them and their "expert" advice, like we have no intelligence or ability to make our own decisions without their guidance. It is like we are a herd of untamed, unintelligent animals they must train.
Me too. Especially the hidden fact is that they want us to be like that. Resist resist resist.

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The problem is that dieticians will not tell D's the truth. High bgs will cause many complications such as amputations, kidney disease, heart disease, blindness and death, pure and simple. This idea that an HbA1c of 7 is good control is ridiculous. My next door neighbor is a doctor and a diabetic on a pump. She told me she loves the pump because now she can bolus for all the junk food she wants. She is a doctor, she should know better. So very smart people, dieticians included are clueless. At the same time they go against anyone who speaks out against the higher carb approach. Whenever I tell someone about my Paleo, low carb diet they look at me like I have 2 heads. This is the best diet I have ever done. I get to eat as much as I want and am never hungry and my bgs are great. What more could I ask for? Why wouldn't they teach this approach. Me thinks - Big Pharma.

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No kidding about denial in the D community. As I type this I am eating my standard lunch, chef salad with blue cheese dressing an four celery stalks diced, all the while watching my T1 coworker eating his roast beef sandwich on wheat rolls a big grab bag of Doritos fruit cup and rice Krispy treat bar; and hearing him talk about how he was diagnosed with celiacs and was told he should eat gluten free. UGj!!!!!

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Y'mean this one?! (Bob would have to add it to the official roster, but that's okay by me)

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I found this today while doing some research for my next video on reversing diabetes and I would love to know what you guys think. I can't help but be skeptical when it comes to the medical community and "helping" us with our diabetes BUT I am still hopeful!

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The emphasis is still on pharmacology, i.e. medication. So they're still insisting that it's a progressive disease; and if people follow their guidelines, that inevitably happens.

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