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Old 12-17-2010, 19:00   #1
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Hello, I am new here after being treated for diabetes for about 3 weeks now. My first reading after symptoms of extreme thirst and blurry vision was 399. I am now on metformin and my levels stay between 150 and 200. I cant seem to get it down further. The dietician told me to have 18 carb choices per day over 6 meals. It is very hard to eat 6 times per day with my work schedule. Should I cut the carbs out all together for a while? And also, how much food would consitute a meal? 2 eggs in the morning for breakfast? Sure could use some advice from people on here that has dealt with this.

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Hey, Spud . . . welcome to DF! You have excellent powers of perception in recognizing so soon that the advice from the dietitian is leading you the wrong direction. Yep - I'd cut out the carbs completely, and I think it won't matter how many times a day you eat or what size the meal. Just build your menus from proteins & fats, and your BG will drop like a rock. Carbs are NOT a necessity - our body can process the glucose it needs - even for brain cells - from other sources. We won't dry up & waste away without carbs, I promise!

Without knowing your size, gender, age, activity level, etc., two eggs for breakfast would be fine if they're accompanied by a few strips of bacon or links of sausage! My breakfast often consists of three link sausages and one egg-over-easy. But I'm an overweight sedentary 65-year-old woman.

If you prowl our boards here, you'll get an idea of how most of us eat . . . and it isn't identical menus, because some of us are type 2 and others are type 1 . . . and some of our type 2s are insulin-dependent, others of us, like you and me, are not. But most of us eat to our meters. Testing around our meals teaches us which foods send our bg too high, and those foods are then limited/avoided.

Ask all the questions you want . . . there's a whole crew here just waiting to give you their ideas! So glad you found us, and thank you for joining us!

p.s. Just a little clarification about getting your veggies - that's where the carbs are . . . but anything high-fiber like cabbage/kale/broccoli/cauliflower, dark leafy greens like spinach/romaine/etc., asparagus, artichokes, etc., will be excellent choices, and don't spare the butter, dip, or hollandaise sauce. Using full-fat foods like butter, cream, sour cream & mayonnaise will keep you from feeling hungry and give the protein menus some real pizzazz.

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Old 12-18-2010, 01:09   #3
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18 carb choices a day? thats like 270gr of carbs, no wonder your BG are running high.

Welcome to the forum and the big D

Your diabetic, that means your pancreas no longer controls your Blood Sugar Levels BGL, So…You need to control your BGL.

It can be done
your TOOLS

Pills and or insulin
exercise
Food

Read the Nutrition labels on food packages.
you are interested in the TOTAL Carbohydrates.
get to know the Glycemic index of foods.
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm



Food
All foods with carbohydrates (carbs) Raises BGL
especially fast acting carbs are
almost anything white. White bread, potato, rice, sugar (eating a bowl of mashed potato is worse than eating bowl of sugar as far as BGL goes.)

Protein, fiber and fat
slows down the rise of BGL.

meds (pills and insulin)
lower BSL

exercise
lowers BSL



Basically those are the tools you have, use them well and you will have a long Happy life.

To learn HOW THIS ALL AFFECTS YOU… test you BGL before you eat, test 1 hour after you eat, this gives you your BGL spike for the food. Test 2 hours after you eat your BGL should be going down. test before exercise test after exercise.
Everybody is affected differently by carbs and by different foods. So you need to test to find out how You react to different foods


When you test use the side of your finger tip, much less pain



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Hello, I am new here after being treated for diabetes for about 3 weeks now. My first reading after symptoms of extreme thirst and blurry vision was 399. I am now on metformin and my levels stay between 150 and 200. I cant seem to get it down further. The dietician told me to have 18 carb choices per day over 6 meals. It is very hard to eat 6 times per day with my work schedule. Should I cut the carbs out all together for a while? And also, how much food would consitute a meal? 2 eggs in the morning for breakfast? Sure could use some advice from people on here that has dealt with this.
Hello and welcome to the forum. I have gastroparesis and many doctors have told me to eat smaller more frequent meals. This just is not me. I can eat at the max 2 x per day. I take insulin and I work carbs into every meal, that is just a decision that I have made. If you can live without carbs then that is great. I eat eggs and bacon for breakfast several times per week. I always eat 2 eggs.

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Hey, Spud . . . welcome to DF! You have excellent powers of perception in recognizing so soon that the advice from the dietitian is leading you the wrong direction. Yep - I'd cut out the carbs completely, and I think it won't matter how many times a day you eat or what size the meal. Just build your menus from proteins & fats, and your BG will drop like a rock. Carbs are NOT a necessity - our body can process the glucose it needs - even for brain cells - from other sources. We won't dry up & waste away without carbs, I promise!

Without knowing your size, gender, age, activity level, etc., two eggs for breakfast would be fine if they're accompanied by a few strips of bacon or links of sausage! My breakfast often consists of three link sausages and one egg-over-easy. But I'm an overweight sedentary 65-year-old woman.

If you prowl our boards here, you'll get an idea of how most of us eat . . . and it isn't identical menus, because some of us are type 2 and others are type 1 . . . and some of our type 2s are insulin-dependent, others of us, like you and me, are not. But most of us eat to our meters. Testing around our meals teaches us which foods send our bg too high, and those foods are then limited/avoided.

Ask all the questions you want . . . there's a whole crew here just waiting to give you their ideas! So glad you found us, and thank you for joining us!

p.s. Just a little clarification about getting your veggies - that's where the carbs are . . . but anything high-fiber like cabbage/kale/broccoli/cauliflower, dark leafy greens like spinach/romaine/etc., asparagus, artichokes, etc., will be excellent choices, and don't spare the butter, dip, or hollandaise sauce. Using full-fat foods like butter, cream, sour cream & mayonnaise will keep you from feeling hungry and give the protein menus some real pizzazz.
Thanks for all of the input from all of you, I will be around here for a while so I am sure I will need more advice from all of you who have the experience with this. Thanks again.

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I don't know why dieticians are still doing this to their diabetic patients. 18 carb choices a day is way too high to be able to lower bgs significantly. Many in the medical profession think all diabetics get lows in bgs and they overprescribe carbs. Do your own experiment with your bg meter. I usually eat 1 carb choice per meal ( 15 carbs). Some meals like breakfast I may do a lot less. Breakfast is usually bacon and a couple of eggs with a veggie. If my bgs are low enough I will have a piece of sprouted grain toast. Every one of us is different, so use your meter. Ideally you want to be 120-140 after meals but that may take a while to achieve.

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I don't know why dieticians are still doing this to their diabetic patients. 18 carb choices a day is way too high to be able to lower bgs significantly. Many in the medical profession think all diabetics get lows in bgs and they overprescribe carbs. Do your own experiment with your bg meter. I usually eat 1 carb choice per meal ( 15 carbs). Some meals like breakfast I may do a lot less. Breakfast is usually bacon and a couple of eggs with a veggie. If my bgs are low enough I will have a piece of sprouted grain toast. Every one of us is different, so use your meter. Ideally you want to be 120-140 after meals but that may take a while to achieve.
Thanks for your insight! I have cut the carbs down to next to nothing and sugar has dropped. Still getting weird reading though. Example is last night before dinner was 118, after was 119. no carbs for dinner so not bad. This morning after fast was 172. I don't get it, is not the metformin (sp) supposed to take care of that? After a few days of no carbs I am going to add a little back in and see what happens but it sure bugs me with those morning readings. Thanks for all the comments as this is all new to me after 50 years of eating what I wanted to eat!

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During my first 3 years of diabetes I got wierd spikes, too. There is actually a name for it called Dawn Phenomenom or DP for short. I was so glad when I joined these forums and found out I wasn't crazy, alot of us get them. There is no one answer on how to prevent it. Some say a late night snack of protein or fat. Some say waking up as early as possible and eating protein to stop it. Others find the metformin does the trick. I had to increase mine to 2550 before it handled the morning bgs. Others find that a long acting insulin like Lantus is the only thing that works. For awhile I cut my carbs down to almost nothing and found it was even worse because my poor body thought I was starving and kicked in glucose on its own ( liver dump). At least you know you are in good company with this problem. I have finally found a balance between the right kind of organic carbs, lots of fat ( coconut oil) and a moderate amount of protein. It seems to be working for now.

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