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Old 07-08-2012, 06:39   #1
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Well, I was eating low carb high protein and high fat for a while then the last 3 weeks we have been on vacation and I ate "vacation food" aka Junk. Came home felt run down. On the 4th we were at the park in 105 degree weather, I felt "woozy", so my hubby to me home made me drink a ton and eat a couple bites of cake. Layed by the AC vent and felt better pretty quick. Then yesterday I was at a friends and started feeling woozy again so I sat down had some water, some apple juice. My friend took my BP it was good. I had her call my hubby and he came and took me to Urgent Care, they tested my blood sugar and it was 362. Sent me to ER they ran tons of tests, I was very dehydrated and have a UTI. They admitted me to monitor my bs and figure out dosing. I got to ER at 7 pm had not eaten since 2 they would not let me eat. Kept giving me insulin which only lowered it to 300. I was finally released after lunch with strict instructions to meet with the ADA on Monday. Since I have been home today I ate chicken thighs, cheese, and zucchini sautéed in real butter from grass fed cows. My bs before bed @ 9:30 was 212! They couldn't get me lower than 279 in the hospital and after I ate it went back up. Before dinner I did take metforin and another pill the starts with a g but I can't think of what it is as the moment.
Talking with the dietician at the hospital about what I know. I told her I knew I should eat plenty of healthy fats, low carb ( no grain or starch) and proteins. She kinda freaked when I said plenty of fat and told me no fat eat lots of protein. After reading multiple natural health blogs and learning about WAPF I know what fats are good for you and feel much better when I have lots of coconut oil, butter, cream, cheese....
Am I being ignorant, should I heed her advice? I am already skeptical of the ADA and AHA in general. Should I bother with the classes? I found a naturopath who works with MD's and DO's to help fix diabetes naturally. I will call him Monday. Just kinda confused, about what to do. My goal is to lose much weight and control bs with diet and exercise. To eventually get off all meds. I am actually very concerned about being on prescription meds, but feel like for now I need to to get that bs under control. I tend to do everything naturally and holistically so this is WAY out of my comfort zone.
Also since I took my evening dose of meds I have had 2 bouts of loose watery stools. Is that due to all the IV's or the meds???? Just concerned about it.

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Old 07-08-2012, 07:09   #2
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Welcome aboard!

First, metformin is known for causing gastrointestinal issues so that would explain that problem. These issues typically pass in a couple of weeks and is pretty much the only side effect. It's also one of the safest meds out there for PWD.

Second. As your own testing has shown, the LCHF diet works wonders for BG control. Since at least 25% of protein can be converted to glucose, a LCLFHP diet can be just as bad as LFHC distributed by ADA.

Third. Check out bloodsugar101.com and dietdoctor.com/lchf These sites have lots of good info.

Fourth. I'm guessing the other med you were given was glyburide a drug that stimulates the pancreas to make more insulin. Sounds good right? Think of it as hooking a NOS kit to your cars engine CONSTANTLY. It burns out your pancreas and leads to more and more meds. Again, I'm only guessing.

You'll find that most docs and CDE toe the party line in respect to the ADA. So anything you do different will be met with resistance. But the best ammo you'll have to back up your views is the results of your tests. When you get great results, as many here do, just smile, nod, and let it roll out the window.

While I don't believe in the "fix diabetes" concept, I do believe it can be controlled and managed with diet and exercise. I have to believe that as it works for me. Lol. I went from insulin to no meds in less than 8 months.

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She kinda freaked when I said plenty of fat
LOL - I bet she did. We could see that coming a mile away You're not wrong, she is, but it doesn't do any good to argue the point. Those of us who eat low-carb/high healthy fat, and that's a lot of us, ignore dieticians, don't go to those classes, and take refuge in the fact it works and is solid science.

I wouldn't recommend their classes, mostly because you can learn more reading here, bloodsugar101.com, and other online sites than in the hours you would spend sitting there. And, so much of what they teach us in those classes (and they're pretty much boiler-plate) is wrong.

The metformin is probably making your stools loose. That does pass in time, it did for me, but switching to the extended release version would be helpful if that's not what you're taking.

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5/23/11 .. 6.2 . . . . . . . Low-carb/high healthy-fat diet
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You've had a pretty wild week, "mama" . . . glad you came looking & found us; I think we can confirm what you already know. You smelled a rat, and David & moon have confirmed the truth of the matter, so I think you're well on the right track. Yes, the met is prob'ly responsible for the loose stools, but that should subside & if it doesn't, ask your doc for the extended release version. And as you already know, the fewer carbs and more fat you can get in your meals, the easier this is gonna be. Your blood sugar drops like a rock if you stop eating carbs. As David said - excess protein also converts to glucose, so you only need enough protein for repair & maintenance of muscle, bone & other tissue. One of our members has written this calculator to determine how much protein you need.

I'm just sorry you needed us, but very thankful you found us. Take care and visit often . . . we're so glad to be here for you.

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The others have said it. Any diet that does not follow the ADA high carb concept will generally be disapproved of by doctors and dieticians.

However, like David, I can testify to the effectiveness of a reduced carbohydrate, increased fat diet. It took me three months to eliminate my medication - and that was only the use of basal insulin at night.

I dropped 30 pounds in weight over about that many weeks and my HbA1c dropped from 8.2% to 5.1% over the same period.

The change in my diet was in direct opposition to the instructions of the endo in hospital who had written to my doctor (whom I hadn't even met at that time) warning him of my "unbalanced diet" and assuring him that appropriate dietary guidance had been given to me. That translates to - They gave me a couple of leaflets pushing high carb - (straight out of the ADA guidlines but using French) and the endo tore me off a strip for the lack of starch in my weekend menu.

The doctor has carefully not followed up on diet. I take that as a sign of his common sense!

As the others have said, do explore Blood Sugar 101 - it's a very useful site and it will give you a lot of helpful information on the medication used including possible side effects so that you can make informed decisions on what drugs you are comfortable with.

Your figures at the hospital sound very like mine, so basically, what I could do - so can you!

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Welcome to the crazy world of diabetes. You probably have been high for quite awhile and it may take quite awhile to get your bgs back in range. I assume the medication they gave you is metformin and possible glimperide or glipizide. Metformin is a great drug but it works in the liver, not the pancreas. Many type 2's have overactive livers that convert way too much glycogen into glucose when we are not eating. Metformin shuts down some of this. The glimeride or glipizide is a sulfonyurea class drug that overstimulates the pancreas to produce more insulin. It often causes bg lows so always have your meter with you and a fast acting source of glucose in case you go below 70. Don't get me started on dieticians and CDE's. I think we all got the same lecture. Stay away from fat and eat healthy carbs. Most of us let our meters tell us what we can eat. I went to the dietician just once and that was enough. The diet she gave me was basically the diet I had been eating before diabetes, so I couldn't figure how that was going to help me. I finally discovered that my diabetic body needed more fat, meat, eggs and cheese to function. What is healthy for a non diabetic is not healthy for our bgs. I am sitting here this morning drinking orgainic coffee whipped with organic butter. Boy, is it good.

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I am sitting here this morning drinking orgainic coffee whipped with organic butter. Boy, is it good.
Now wait a min. Cream? Ok. Milk? Ok FOR SOME. Butter???? Now that's a trip!

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Oh wow! Thanks so much for the warm welcome!
The other pill is glipizide 5 MG and then 500 MG metformin.
They both have a side effect of diarrhea and the antibiotic for the UTI also has that side affect... Whose idea was that???
My fasting bs was back up to 302 :-( and my breakfast was bacon, eggs, cheese cooked in real butter. Now 2 hours later I'm down to 259. I just drank a glass of warm water with 1 tablespoon melted coconut oil and a couple drops of stevia.
I am wondering if I have a high fat snack or drink some coconut oil before bed if that will help my fasting bs. I was hungry last night but thought I shouldn't eat. Hospital told me to eat 3x a day but my friend says every 2-3 hours have a snack or something.

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Oh wow! Thanks so much for the warm welcome!
The other pill is glipizide 5 MG and then 500 MG metformin.
They both have a side effect of diarrhea and the antibiotic for the UTI also has that side affect... Whose idea was that???
My fasting bs was back up to 302 :-( and my breakfast was bacon, eggs, cheese cooked in real butter. Now 2 hours later I'm down to 259. I just drank a glass of warm water with 1 tablespoon melted coconut oil and a couple drops of stevia.
I am wondering if I have a high fat snack or drink some coconut oil before bed if that will help my fasting bs. I was hungry last night but thought I shouldn't eat. Hospital told me to eat 3x a day but my friend says every 2-3 hours have a snack or something.
I'm not a doctor but your condition seems very much like mine was on diagnosis in August 2010 - high fasting blood glucose and UTI.

The antibiotic will raise your blood glucose a bit - but under no circumstances cut the course short - that infection has to go.

On diet, my food gendarme had me on a strict three meals a day from outset. It worked but we are all different, so the snack approach might work better for you if you get high morning values.

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