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Old 09-02-2012, 02:56   #11
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Marty, do you have to go somewhere? Is this not a test that your doctor can't offer when they do the blood draw normally?
Standard blood draw. I get mine done at LabCorp.

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Chris Masterjohn's information on cholesterol was eye-opening for me. I also just read Peter Attia's series on Cholesterol and learned some new information as well mostly about LDL-P and how that stacks up against LDL-C and LDL particle size.

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Yep. Quite informative. I'm going to concentrate on the apoB the next time I go in for the lipids and not the standard profile.

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Thanks a lot parader I have been having problems with pains in my cheats for a whole now and the docs don't know what it is I like a lot of butter that's all im saying time to cut down now I think

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Chris Masterjohn's information on cholesterol was eye-opening for me. I also just read Peter Attia's series on Cholesterol and learned some new information as well mostly about LDL-P and how that stacks up against LDL-C and LDL particle size.

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The only thing I seriously disagree with in this piece is his rush to jump from a correlation between high LDL particle counts and arterial damage. It is equally or more plausible that something ELSE makes arteries vulnerable to penetration FIRST and then higher or lower particle counts contribute to if and how much damage occurs. A large portion of actual heart disease victims have low or normal cholesterol.

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The only thing I seriously disagree with in this piece is his rush to jump from a correlation between high LDL particle counts and arterial damage. It is equally or more plausible that something ELSE makes arteries vulnerable to penetration FIRST and then higher or lower particle counts contribute to if and how much damage occurs. A large portion of actual heart disease victims have low or normal cholesterol.
I have the same misgiving. If the artery wall wasn't already compromised, then the apoB particle would not end up where it doesn't belong to begin with (in your artery wall, causing an immune response and building plaque).

He stated in the comments on part iv "Itís basically that any clinical setting where a patient has elevated LDL-P (apoB) circulating, they get more heart disease, independent of inflammatory state". I can't find in the article where he defends this more adequately but I believe this is why he focuses so strongly on apoB instead of the initial arterial inflammation. Personally, I think that if tested correctly, they would see a difference.

So yes, if we are discussing cause, I too lean towards eliminating whatever is causing the initial arterial inflammation. It's the first step in the chain of damage leading to heart disease. However, if we are discussing "hey I plan on estimating my heart disease risk by taking some form of a lipid panel" (where this article was discussed in another thread), then I think many of his points about particle size, total cholesterol, VAP vs NMR and LDL-P are useful.

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Its a lot like trying to prevent a scab if you get cut. Its not the scab thats a problem its whatever caused the injury is the problem.

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