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Old 06-24-2017, 18:18   #1
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I'm just so full of questions, and I promise this is my last for a while, I want to get caught up on reading everything else. I was told years ago, that glucose dumped in your blood stream, by your liver would register on a finger prick but not on a unrine strip. I have found this to be true. Also I was told the glucose dumped by your liver has already been made harmless to organs and your body, is any of this true? A registered nurse, of 40 years, with a diabetic husband is where I got this information.

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I'm just so full of questions, and I promise this is my last for a while, I want to get caught up on reading everything else. I was told years ago, that glucose dumped in your blood stream, by your liver would register on a finger prick but not on a unrine strip. I have found this to be true. Also I was told the glucose dumped by your liver has already been made harmless to organs and your body, is any of this true? A registered nurse, of 40 years, with a diabetic husband is where I got this information.
I hope others with more experience with this can answer this better but here is my take.

Glucose is Glucose and if its in the bloodstream its dangerous. One thought is that when you sleep , your liver is what produces glucose in your bloodstream and causes the morning phenomenon. To me , Its not good to have high levels of BG no matter where it gets it from.

Here is a link that I found describing it in more detail.

https://dtc.ucsf.edu/types-of-diabet...r-blood-sugar/

I am not an expert on the liver BG so I am not confident with this answer and I hope others come to confirm or refute what I posted.

This is just how I feel

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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After reading that, it does make more sense, except why does my fasting ( because of liver dump) not register on a urine stripe? I have had it register when it's because of the food I eat.

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I am curious why you are using a urine strip to test for glucose? By the time excess glucose in the blood is filtered out by the kidneys, your blood glucose is quite high. These strips were barely adequate when we had no blood glucose meters, but they aren't very accurate and the delay from blood to urine is quite some time (I'm thinking hours but certainly not minutes). Having a negative reading on the urine strips is a very good thing.

As you read in the article hftmrock gave you, it is part of the waking up mechanism for the liver to convert its stores of glycogen to glucose to raise BG. Non-diabetics have a corresponding insulin response to keep BG from going too high and to trigger the liver to stop. Not so diabetics. So BG can continue rising unchecked. How much the rise is before the liver turns off is individual.

One way to minimize the rise of BG from Dawn Phenonomen is to reduce the liver's stores of glycogen so it doesn't have as much to convert. Reducing carbs in the diet also reduces the glucose in the bloodstream for the liver to store.

There are several strategies for lowering fasting BG and minimizing DP. You'll find many threads devoted to this subject on the forum.

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I was told by my doctor(??) that a urine strip was the most accurate. I know the my finger prick and unrine strip hardly ever give the same results. So much mis information out there, and add to that denial and it's very confusing. I guess the urine strips being negative the last few months have at least given me hope, and determination to beat this.
I'm not sure if I'm hitting a sweet spot, or just beginning to make some progress, but for the last 2 mornings, @ 4:30am, my fasting has been in the low 120's. And and around 7:00am in the 130's. That is the lowest since I started, it has been 150's and up to 180's. I have made some changes to my diet, and sleep habits, seems something worked. I have added more protiens, more fats, and more carbs(10). I have stopped using coffee, any dairy except yogurt with fresh currants, no seltzer water of any kind, nothing convenient only what I make and put together, so I know 100% what's in it. I even started sleeping on my left side, ( sounds silly, but if it works) I know these numbers still need to go down, but I'm over the moon that they are so low, and so constant, even if for only 2 days.

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OMG - what century is he living in???

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We disagree on lots of stuff, and the fact I need to be given the chance to control this with diet and exercise is the main disagreement. She is a very good doctor for most things, and is very up to date on most things. She is a family member and a friend, but we just can't get past her beliefs about being diabetic. She didn't even want to give me a chance, she sent a script for metforman, before my glucose meter, I refused to pick it up I'll be changing doctors this fall. There is a very good doctor at the same clinic, she is open minded, and you can talk with her about how you want to manage your sugar.

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Thank goodness you are changing doctors. What a shame that she will continue to give bad and inaccurate advice to other patients.

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Most doctors know very little about diabetes or nutrition. They mainly rely on the ADA (American Diabetes Association) mis-information.

Curious, why did you stop using coffee and dairy?

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Diabetes: Urine Test for Sugar-Topic Overview

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Urine testing for sugar is not an accurate way to measure how much sugar is in your blood. So most doctors no longer recommend it for people who have diabetes. A sample of urine often is stored in your bladder for several hours before you test it. Also, because sugar does not show up in urine until it is much higher than normal in the bloodstream (180 mg/dL), urine cannot be used to check for slightly high or low blood sugar levels.

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