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Old 10-30-2012, 22:16   #1
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My Greek GP here in Athens, Greece is a firm believer in only eating full fat dairy products but just not as much. I've been able to get my LDL to 121 down, down from 135 over 6 months, by eating less carbs, exercising, and eating/drinking full fat dairy but it doesn't go lower.

My endoc wants LDL to be under 100, so I'm thinking to give low-fat milk another try, but some of you say it could make it worse? I don't have any spikes from milk (8oz) with my coffee latte every morning, and Stevia tab for sweetness.

Are there any of you who drink full fat milk every day in their coffee, (i drink a full cup every day) and so far so good....

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Hi GD

I can't add anything authorative, but I have skim and half fat (2% fat) in the fridge. The skim is 368 Kj for one (250ml) cup, the half fat 485Kj. I guess they are both loaded with lactose, plus a bit from the fat content.

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I can't add anything authorative, but I have skim and half fat (2% fat) in the fridge. The skim is 368 Kj for one (250ml) cup, the half fat 485Kj. I guess they are both loaded with lactose, plus a bit from the fat content.

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Hi Davo, does the skim milk raise sugar more than full fat though I wonder? I can't get a rise out of the full fat ever, thank God, as I don't think I could ever give up my cafe latte every morning!

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HI Greece

Your doctor is absolutely correct. Whole food fats, real fats, either saturated or monosaturates, are healthiest. Avoid all transfats and hydrogenated fats. As you go lower carb, you need some fat in your meal to balance out your meal. Also the fat helps you to be satisfied. If you start your meal with a fat, your brain will signal "I'm full"about 20 minutes later.

Good fats to eat are butter, bacon fat, the fat on your meat, olive oil, coconut oil, nuts (especially pistachios and almonds), and avocados.
Fats to avoid are margarines and vegetable oils (like corn oil), and any fats that are hydrogenated or partially-hydrogenated.

Here is a good link to learn more about fats: Saturated Fat, Carbs & Cardiovascular Disease
Also follow the link on her page to "Saturated fats: Wrongfully Accused".

Now, regarding your dairy fat. The higher the fat content, the lower the amount of lactose. Put another way, the lower the fat content, the more lactose it will have (so skim milk is very high in lactose, butter is low -- lactose is milk sugar). Here is a good guide to understanding the lactose levels in various dairy products: Lactose Percentages of Dairy Products

Many of us drink heavy cream in our coffee with no sugar spikes. I can handle about a cup that way, but even for me that has a bit too much lactose for me to drink all day. I am lactose intolerant, so I do much better with hard cheeses and yogurt.

I would suggest drinking green tea or an herbal tea instead of milk as a beverage.
Good luck to you!
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I don't drink milk anymore. I drink full fat cream instead. Milk sends my readings too high where cream has no impact.

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I drink heavy cream (5 grams fat per tablespoon) every day and my cholesterol improved.

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I use heavy cream or almond milk on my cereal and heavy cream in my coffee because there are so few carbs.

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Heavy cream has replaced milk in my household too. Anything that calls for milk gets either straight cream, or cream diluted with water. I don't drink it, but I use it very generously wherever I use it - coffee, soups, sauces, gravies.




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Thanks to all of you for the replies, and i'll experiment with the heavy cream as it is so tasty in coffee...

I will post a note on my doctor's strategy since he's a visionary in Greece with his fasting therapy diet. It's how I've lost 55 lbs in three months. He tells me that before insulin that diabetes was controlled with fasting and he believes cured sometimes but at a minimum his diet has kept me less hungry, and thinner, but I suspect many of you already use his techniques by eating only full fat products but smaller amounts. Look for my post in the diet section called "Fasting Therapy Diet from Greece and Beyond"

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I'm not aware of anyone using this fasting therapy, and we have zero-tolerance for any mention of a cure. But a great many of us have had and still have great success using a low-carb/high-fat way-of-eating. We develop our own specific food plans by using our meters in what is known as eat-to-your-meter. We may have already mentioned this to you, and I'm sorry if this is redundant.

It's great that you've had such success with the fasting food plan from your visionary doctor. When you come to the point where, as you mentioned in your fasting therapy post, you feel you must depart from that way-of-eating, lc/hf might be just the thing for you to incorporate somewhat more fish and/or meat into your diet. But low-carb/high-fat means 'high fat', it does not mean more protein. I won't go into it now, but you can always search our boards for lchf, because it is what most of us use to some degree to control our blood sugars.




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