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Old 11-10-2012, 00:17   #11
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It remains a YMMV issue . . . if your meter says okay, and you don't have any particular issues with artificical sweeteners, then it's okay. We use sweeteners in our household - I use only sucralose (such as Splenda), but OWC mixes many different artificial sweeteners (some are sugar alcohols) to get what he feels is the closest taste to sugar. It's your call.




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At diagnosis in 2011 I had an A1C of 10, cholesterol was 6.48, overweight by 30 - 40 pounds, arthritic bone pain, vision problems, and foot pain, high cholesterol and high blood pressure.

Today my A1C is 5.6, cholesterol is 4.82, lower LDL, Higher HDL and blood pressure almost at normal level, relatively pain free and not overweight having lost all of my excess weight.

I have routine daily walking and cut carbs to about 1/4 of what they were before diagnosis.

I still find myself not satisfied shortly after eating and am looking further into LC/HF to see if it can address that problem.
This is where the high fat helps. Increase your fat and you will find yourself satisfied for a long time after your meal.

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This is where the high fat helps. Increase your fat and you will find yourself satisfied for a long time after your meal.
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Thank you. I am sure you are right.

What is your typical day's menu?

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A typical day for me:

Breakfast, eggs, meat, veggies, cheese, fake oatmeal
Lunch, ususlly leftovers from dinner, hamburger, veggies, lunch meat, salad
Dinner, meat, 2-3 different veggies

everything cooked with either butter or coconut oil.

snacks, hard boiled eggs, nuts, slim jims, peanut butter.

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A typical day for me:

Breakfast, eggs, meat, veggies, cheese, fake oatmeal
Lunch, ususlly leftovers from dinner, hamburger, veggies, lunch meat, salad
Dinner, meat, 2-3 different veggies

everything cooked with either butter or coconut oil.

snacks, hard boiled eggs, nuts, slim jims, peanut butter.
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Do you use a keytone meter to measure your keytones? Oftentimes I read of LC/HF followers eating meals with wide timeframes between them and no snacking. I guess LC/HF adherents accomplish their ketosis state using many different methods.

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This is how it works for me. 1 gm protein per kg of ideal body weight (BMI=22.5). Half of that as carbs, and at least 3 times fats. The protein content remains the same whether you eat high carbs or fats. So, if you've reduced your carbs to 1/4th that of before diagnosis, you will have to supplement that with fats. As Barbara pointed out once you have fats to replace the carbs you will feel satiated and you need not count calories.

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This is how it works for me. 1 gm protein per kg of ideal body weight (BMI=22.5). Half of that as carbs, and at least 3 times fats. The protein content remains the same whether you eat high carbs or fats. So, if you've reduced your carbs to 1/4th that of before diagnosis, you will have to supplement that with fats. As Barbara pointed out once you have fats to replace the carbs you will feel satiated and you need not count calories.
Did you mean in GRAMS, carbs = 1/2 protein and fat = 3 times protein?

That's an amazing diet - and a completely different way of arriving at it.

For me, it works out to

75g of protein
37.5 g of carbs
225 g of fat

It's 2475 calories and a KR of 2.28.

I think it's a little more overall than I eat these days, but that's an amazingly good diet - and a pretty simple calculation.

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Yes Salim. Exactly in the ratios that you have mentioned s applicable to you.
First you work out the protein grams (75gm in your case). Half as many grams in carbs and 3 times as many in fats. Got it from the Optimal Nutrition (Polish) system.

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Do you use a keytone meter to measure your keytones? Oftentimes I read of LC/HF followers eating meals with wide timeframes between them and no snacking. I guess LC/HF adherents accomplish their ketosis state using many different methods.
I use keto urine stix, if I bought a ketone meter my wife would fuss and fuss and fuss.

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Yes Salim. Exactly in the ratios that you have mentioned s applicable to you.
First you work out the protein grams (75gm in your case). Half as many grams in carbs and 3 times as many in fats. Got it from the Optimal Nutrition (Polish) system.
Interesting. I thought the Optimal Nutrition guy - one of the very few out there who is not making any money from his advice - recommended against ketosis and preferred staying just short of it. That diet is pretty much certain to put one in ketosis.

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