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Wonderful Aspect of LC/HF of Which I Wasn't Aware


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Old 11-09-2012, 13:58   #1
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I have been reading the "Ketogenic Diet Resource" site and was surprised to learn quote:

"Fact #3: A ketogenic diet is not carved in stone.

Finally, a ketogenic diet does restrict antioxidant foods such as fruits and starchy vegetables, but only until weight and health problems are alleviated.

The point of a ketogenic diet is to modify carbohydrate intake until health and weight issues are resolved, and then to stick to a carbohydrate intake level that maintains this new and better state of health.

If one's weight is normal and one can tolerate the carbs in fruits and starchy vegetables without metabolic issues, there's no reason one can't eat them in moderation.

However, most people with weight problems and metabolic syndrome issues are "carb sensitive" and they cannot handle eating these foods without blood sugar issues and weight gain.

Hence, a ketogenic diet which restricts these high carb antioxidant foods is most helpful to them." END OF QUOTE

Could members who eat LC/HF comment on their experience with this aspect of LC/HF? "If one's weight is normal and one can tolerate the carbs in fruits and starchy vegetables without metabolic issues, there's no reason one can't eat them in moderation."
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Eat to your meter is always a good idea. Keep in mind if you were dxed with D your glucose management system is faulty, taxing it to it's limit every day may not be a good idea.

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Eat to your meter is always a good idea. Keep in mind if you were dxed with D your glucose management system is faulty, taxing it to it's limit every day may not be a good idea.
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Are you eating Low Carb/High Fat?

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Yes for almost 2 yrs now been in ketosis.

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You yourself quoted the critical part:
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If one's weight is normal and one can tolerate the carbs in fruits and starchy vegetables without metabolic issues, there's no reason one can't eat them in moderation.

However, most people with ... metabolic syndrome issues are "carb sensitive" and they cannot handle eating these foods without blood sugar issues and weight gain.
This means us as diabetics.

MCS is correct - we who are unable to process carbs properly are well advised to avoid the fruits and starchy vegetables discussed at the ketogenic resource website. Keep in mind their advice is targeting non-diabetics. Because the basic concepts happen to work well for diabetics, doesn't give us the license to glom onto all the suggestions - we still have to eat to our meters.

I am also eating low-carb/high-fat - most of us here do, to some degree. Are you eating to your meter, autumnleaves?




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I am also eating low-carb/high-fat - most of us here do, to some degree. Are you eating to your meter, autumnleaves?
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Yes, but not low carb/high fat. Looking at information on LC/HF to see if it can add to better management. My A1C is in the mid 5's and I am not overweight. I do exercise.


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It looks like you're doing well . . . would you care to share with us more of your diabetes journey? We normally share our fasting and postprandial numbers, the meds we use and other methods we find beneficial in controlling our blood sugar. We'd like to know more about you & get better acquainted.




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Shanny:

At diagnosis in 2011 I had an A1C of 10, cholesterol was 6.48, overweight by 30 - 40 pounds, arthritic bone pain, vision problems, and foot pain, high cholesterol and high blood pressure.

Today my A1C is 5.6, cholesterol is 4.82, lower LDL, Higher HDL and blood pressure almost at normal level, relatively pain free and not overweight having lost all of my excess weight.

I have routine daily walking and cut carbs to about 1/4 of what they were before diagnosis.

I still find myself not satisfied shortly after eating and am looking further into LC/HF to see if it can address that problem.

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It seems like the quote is only talking about the issue from the perspective of weight loss. Although a ketogenic diet is excellent for weight loss, it has other purposes beyond that - especially for us diabetics.

I'm not sure the author actually knows what a ketogenic diet is, judging from that quote. A ketogenic diet is a diet which:

1) causes the liver to produce ketones
2) causes most cells in the body to switch from glucose to ketones as their main or "preferred" fuel

This is very useful for:

1) treating diabetes
2) treating intractible epilepsy (may require some additional restrictions)
3) preventing Alzheimer's (not proven, but evidence is mounting)
... and possibly many other things.

To maintain ketosis requires a macro-nutrient mix which gives a high value from the following calculation. It must be very low carb, low (normal) protein and very high fat.

Ketosis is impossible when this ratio is under 1.0 (or daily carbs are over 100g, possible from 1.0 - 1.5, likely from 1.5 - 2.0 and almost certain above 2.0. If you take a look at the formula, you'll see that it hardly leaves room for much fruit or any other high-carb food (figures are in grams).

Link: Ketogenic Ratio

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well, I am learning on this Counting Carbs on a Ketogenic Diet that:

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One note to remember: Some people on ketogenic diets use sugar alcohols to sweeten yogurt or low carb cheesecakes. Sugar alcohols are are sugar molecules which have been designed to be undigestible. (Examples include erythritol, mannitol, sorbitol and the like.) Many people in the low carb world feel that sugar alcohol carbs do have an impact on ketosis and blood sugar, and so they count them in when totaling up usable carbs. Other people are able to eat them without any effect on weight loss or ketosis. You'll have to learn what works for you by trial and error. END OF QUOTE

I had thought that "sugar alcohols" would have been on the "avoid" list for LC/HF but apparently not.

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