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Old 01-02-2013, 20:13   #21
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I see you also are from Norway.
The norwegian diabetes association says as you; look at the GI and eat slow carbs. They have said that for years. I know several diabetics which has tried to live like that for years, and now they are paying the price; they have got more complications than I knew there were.
Your BG should never, ever be 15. It is totally wrong. Your BG should stay under 7. If you let it go higher than 7 there is a risk for the high BG could start affect your organs.
I am a member of both the norwegian diabetes association and Kostreform Kostreform for bedre helse
Kostreform has several doctors and professors and they all tells the same thing that we at this forum has discovered; it is not the fat that are our enemy, its the carbs.
I would also recommand you to read Dr.Hexeberg The Scandinavian Diet (9781908018021) - Dr. Sofie Hexeberg - Bøker - CDON.COM. The link is to the english edition since this is a english forum, but you will find this and several others book from her in norwegian, many is in the library as well.

I`m type 1 and I only use 10 units of Lantus a day. Not any fastacting insulin at all. I eat about 20 carbs a day, 100-120 gram of protein and over 300 gram of fat each day, and this gives me 5,4 in HBA1c, or A1c as it is known as in english.
I eat 3 meals a day and have some small meals/snacks 2 or 3 times a day.

The fat I eat comes from seeds, nuts, fat fish, good oils like cocos-oil and also from fullfat dairy products and meat/bacon.

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it's not about eating carbs but avoiding blood sugar levels increasing. and avoiding any fat that makes me sick. i'm not really into vegetables.
if i were to eat proteins only and avoid the fat, what do i eat to keep satisfied. i can eat about 40g of fat a day or less. altho what i'm saying is that i need some food that increases the blood sugar in a long term way, since i sometimes eat snacks to keep it up, so say i wanted blood sugar to increase for 1-2 for 10 hours, what do i eat? i can't really get used to living on 3 blood sugar. i'm also fearing of allergies when it comes to vegetables and nuts i like is also full of carbs. i also wants lots of food that make me feel full, without high calories. i believe in you eat what you enjoy eating, thus that's the worst problem, as i enjoy carbs. soups is a good way, since i can eat lowfat creams, but not enough food if you see what i mean.

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This is an unsolvable problem and I'm afraid without changing some of your "givens", there is no solution possible. You've painted yourself into a corner as they say.

Energy must come from either glucose or FFAs and ketones. The former come from carbs (quickly) and from protein consumed over your minimal needs (more slowly). The latter (FFAs and ketones) come from ingested fat. The latter of those two (ketones) are only possible if fat is much higher than the two glucose sources, what most now know as a "ketogenic" or LC/HF diet.

FFAs are utilizable by some major customers like skeletal muscle, but many other important cells like the brain, for example, can only use glucose or ketones. So, on a generic "low-carb" diet which is not ketogenic, these cells are still completely dependent on glucose for energy.

Switching carbs to more protein will not reduce incoming glucose, only slow it down a little. If you're very early stage diabetic and rapid "spikes" are your only problem, that might actually help. However, your liver gets the task of converting all that excess protein to glucose and it is not really known whether this is a good idea or not. There are some specialty "slow-release" starches which might be a better idea if this is what you're after. I don't remember the name, but some weightlifters use it.

In spite of huge variation in what humans eat in terms of carbs and fat, there is very little variation - when given free choice - in how much protein we eat. Out bodies seem to know - barring some fad diet interfering - how much we should or shouldn't eat.


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it's not about eating carbs but avoiding blood sugar levels increasing. and avoiding any fat that makes me sick. i'm not really into vegetables.
if i were to eat proteins only and avoid the fat, what do i eat to keep satisfied. i can eat about 40g of fat a day or less. altho what i'm saying is that i need some food that increases the blood sugar in a long term way, since i sometimes eat snacks to keep it up, so say i wanted blood sugar to increase for 1-2 for 10 hours, what do i eat? i can't really get used to living on 3 blood sugar. i'm also fearing of allergies when it comes to vegetables and nuts i like is also full of carbs. i also wants lots of food that make me feel full, without high calories. i believe in you eat what you enjoy eating, thus that's the worst problem, as i enjoy carbs. soups is a good way, since i can eat lowfat creams, but not enough food if you see what i mean.
Satiety comes mainly from fat. Feeling "full" from other things is short-lived and tends to be followed by ravenous hunger. So, if your avoiding fats and don't intend to overeat, count on being hungry and miserable most of the time. It is not a very sustainable WOE and the THREE PERCENT success rate (at most) of all the popular low-fat and exercise weight loss programs is testimony to that.

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Fat with carbs makes me feel sick and uncomfortable, fat without carbs makes me feel great, I always blamed the fat until I cut out all carbs and learned the truth. But it was always easier to cut fat than carbs because carbs are everywhere and taste really good. Now I know the truth of what works for my body I wont eat high carb foods ever again. If you want to be healthy and feel great, eat above ground vegetable, as much as you can stand, natural meats and fats. More fat the better. I don't think you will find the answer you are looking for from this group, most everyone here has found low carb is better for them and most of it is from self testing and discovery

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You might find you like vegetables more if you allow yourself to have fat with them, like butter or a nice hollandaise sauce. I know that I love veggies now that I don't have to have them "dry". LOL!

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yes there is a possibility that gastritis works like that. my biggest problem is the dietcoke and bad taste tho. what do people on lchf drink? thanks for luring me back to check it out. I was so disturbed about my carbohydrate intake that i forget all about what lchf did, so i just found a book and i'm pretty convinced on it. and after my home blood sugar test, my values were back to normal after a dinner only christmas(with tags that made me have lower blood sugar than what i had when i eat them). does anyone know a good tasty drink?

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I drink a lot of green tea - in the winter I drink it hot with lots of heavy cream & occasionally sweetened; in the summer I drink it iced and sweetened. This is not flavored green tea sold in a bottle, it is green tea I make with a teabag.




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is there any way to make the drinks without sugar or added supplements(i rather not do herbs) but i prefer the drink cold, but with high proteins instead of carbs? i'm also struggling with keton breath atm, which i want to get rid of i must say that my low carb diet made me get rid of the fluctulating blood sugar, but probably only due to the fact i only ate meat for dinner and not much sugar most of the christmas, so i even lost a few pounds doing this, but it seem that fat/prot would be awesome, atleast after the 75g of sugar i had this morning to test my levels heh. i'm thinking of skipping vegetables if it's possible tho. high fat and a fair amount of proteins is the way to go. is soy milk drinkable in the long run? i'm really sorry i did not see all the notes, ofcourse i know this is working, it's about what i have prefered, and to change your diet completely, trying to find food that's healthy etc.. my preferance would be meat/fish and high fat sauce, and that's it tho or eggs and bacon(i used to enjoy the sandwich with it but)
im also well awared of what blood sugar values i need to be healthy.


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Check the recipe section there are plenty of things to substitute for foods you are used to. Also you will find your taste will change over time, you will go from not thinking you could live without something to not wanting it anymore. Your not "giving up" the food you are "divorcing" it for abusing you. Just like any bad breakup there will be grieving but eventually you wont even want it anymore and life will be that much better anyway. Other dink ideas: I put a little davinci or Torino syrup in carbonated water sometimes to drink mostly the coconut or mint flavor cause I am weird but you could use cherry orange or other normal flavors, I also drink the stevia sweetened cola, I used to hate diet coke, stopped all sweets tried a diet coke thought it was amazing 4 months later I don’t like it causes its too sweet. Unsweet Vanilla Almond milk is good (made from almonds) coconut milk, heavy cream, soy milk, flaxseed milk, hemp milk. Your taste will change and you wont miss the old stuff. Had burdock root for dinner few weeks ago, (I know its a root but its good for Bg and didn't spike me) saved the water it was boiled in, chilled it makes a nice Ice Tea, sounds strange I know but just goes to show you there are all kinds of things you can come up with if you get creative. I found hersheys sugar free syrup (sweetned with Erythitrol) mixed with vannila almond milk and heavy cream taste just like a cookies and cream milk shake, and will fill you up in a hurry. I also make juice from vegitables, I have a stevia plant and found green beans and wheat grass, stevia etc have a sweet taste when juiced, mix those with other veggies to make a nice vegie juice, sounds gross but its not and I don't like to eat a lot of veggies (getting better about it, I am liking stir fried more and more, and salad loaded with avacado, olives, cheese and olive oil)

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