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Old 06-04-2013, 11:31   #1
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The Okinawa's base their diet on

carbohydrates 85%
protein 9%
fat 6%

providing of total calories

Now I'm not trying to stir the pot between LC and whatever other diets there are just wondering if someone can explain to me, when someone questions me doing low carb.

So with friends when out we chat diets food etc and i mention i am doing a LCHF when ordering my meals, which get into diet discussions so i mention that we should be eating 60% + of food coming from fat as humans in which they come back with questions like the above and i simply don't know how to answer back.

They mention the Okinawa diet and that they have the largest life expectancy which is 85% carbs so if carbs are that bad how come its not for them and i basically have no answer.

The consumption of meat in Okinawa is 7.9 kg (17 lb) per person per year, which is another thing they mention regarding eating meat, there not saying meat is bad, instead that they in Okinawa live long lives eating a very small portion of meat 8k per year average.

Wiki Okinawa diet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You can counter with the Inuit People of northern Canada. they eat 85% of there calories from fat (the Inuit traditional diet) and have no hart disease or diabetes.

Or you could say I have diabetes, carbohydrates raise your BG high BG will lead to going blind, toe - foot - leg amputation ,hart disease, liver failure.. and on. so you dont care who eats what, your disease requires you to eat low carb to keep it in control.

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You can counter with the Inuit People of northern Canada. they eat 85% of there calories from fat (the Inuit traditional diet) and have no hart disease or diabetes.

Or you could say I have diabetes, carbohydrates raise your BG high BG will lead to going blind, toe - foot - leg amputation ,hart disease, liver failure.. and on. so you dont care who eats what, your disease requires you to eat low carb to keep it in control.
Yes i do tell them, its never a heated discussion or arguing its more just a chat, so since they don't have diabetes i find if i mention maybe they should look into eating more fat in there diet less carbs, their comeback is what i wrote above, like i said their not being smarties where just discussion what diets seem best for standard people, who don't have diabetes.

Like my friends who don't have diabetes but i see them scolding down carbs all day, so when i mention carbs are no good, as I'm only trying to give them some friendly advice, the same way they try to give me advice,.

There seems to be a lot of good points from both sides you have the Inuit traditional diet which is totally opposite to the Okinawa diet and both seem to suit each, so maybe both are, until one is eaten overboard mixing carbs with fat together junk food, which after that way of eating, one needs to eat what suits.


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A few reasons number one is probably genetics. Others are living in a tropical region with little or no hustle, in other words stress free, with plenty of fresh air and activity. Their diet contains a lot of essential fatty acids no doubt because they are living on an island surrounded by sea and seafood. They have what is called a calorie restricted diet that has shown at least on animal research to contribute to longevity. Some of it because of limited resources but they also have practice known as hari hachi bu which is essentially “eating until you are eighty percent full.” They never overstuff themselves when they eat. I don’t recall the link right now but also there was a study that those in Okinawa’s that lived the longest were those who consumed the most pig meat and fats.

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I don’t recall the link right now but also there was a study that those in Okinawa’s that lived the longest were those who consumed the most pig meat and fats.
Going of that Wiki write up i don't see any mention other meats (not Seafood) that they eat unless they just didn't mention it, but basically it seems they only eat pork? Will Google the article you mentioned, see if i can find the one you mentioned.

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I would say go for it and test your BG along the way, it will tell you how good that diet is.

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The message is just don't try to copy any population diet, because you don't if you may be able to reproduce all the variables. Beware your results may vary.

Here is the one about genetics;

Genetic determinants of exceptional human longev... [Age (Dordr). 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

Here is the one about the diet;

Nutrition for the Japanese elderly. [Nutr Health. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI

Abstract

The present paper examines the relationship of nutritional status to further life expectancy and health status in the Japanese elderly based on 3 epidemiological studies. 1. Nutrient intakes in 94 Japanese centenarians investigated between 1972 and 1973 showed a higher proportion of animal protein to total proteins than in contemporary average Japanese. 2. High intakes of milk and fats and oils had favorable effects on 10-year (1976-1986) survivorship in 422 urban residents aged 69-71. The survivors revealed a longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat over the 10 years. 3. Nutrient intakes were compared, based on 24-hour dietary records, between a sample from Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and 65 were the longest in Japan, and a sample from Akita Prefecture where the life expectancies were much shorter. Intakes of Ca, Fe, vitamins A, B1, B2, C, and the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher in the former than in the latter. Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower.

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thanks for the links kantim

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My theory is (and this is my theory) (old Monti python skit) Is

it has several causes, Genetics and plastic..

We know small amounts of plastic in our blood reek havoc with our endocrine system.

diabetes fallows the "western diet" the western diet is carried by plastic.

this my theory.

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BPA, phthalates ... and YEAH, I used to work with phthalates in a lab!

I can definitely get behind THIS theory. And the lab was studying: Effects of phthalates on fatty acid metabolism in the liver ... URGH.

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