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Old 09-22-2013, 16:05   #1
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I, tomorrow I will be in Week 24 of my LCHF lifestyle. Over the past few weeks, I have noticed a change. First, as LCHF can be defined differently, I will give you my version of this diet. My Macros are usually above 80-15-5 (by above I mean over 80% Fat) and I try to keep my protein at 66 grams per day ir thereabout. I count every trace of a carb I can find to include hidden carbs in eggs, HWC, baking powder, cheeses claiming to be zero carb, etc. My carbs are set to under 30 grams and I rarely reach 20 grams. I measure absolutely everything by the gram (or the ounce when grams are not easily available). Initially, my calories were under 2600, BUT I have found over the past few weeks that I just can't get away with that anymore and maintain my healthy weight. I saw my calories decrease to under 2000, then 1800, then 1650, and now I'm trying to keep them under 1500 to lose the 5 pounds I oddly gained. I'm losing about half a pound a day on that. I'm still trying to keep my 80-15-5 macros, but protein seems to be more like 17% or so these days with carbs decreasing. BGs are generally in the 80s in the morning and can rise into the lower 100s after a meal. I generally have coffee at 5AM, two pieces of bacon and 2 scrambled eggs in coconut oil at 8:30 with chamomile tea (plain lately). For dinner (before 5PM) I will have something like baked Salmon or chicken (about 5 ounces or so) baked in a lot of olive oil, crushed garlic and various spices and a low GI salad. I may have pecans and coffee with HWC for a snack. Sometimes I will melt a couple if slivers of chocolate and toss the nuts in there. The chocolate is only 1.4 carbs per sliver, so I may have one or two once or twice a week. The rest of the day and into the evening I will have copious amounts of plain chamomile tea which brings my BGs down into the 60s and 70s. But, by the morning I'm right back up to something like 81, or 87 if I have a late coffee with HWC the day before. I only use Sweetleaf liquid stevia as a sweetener. All in all, it's an Ok day, except for the avid and unusual cravings for protein. And so, here's my question, finally. What happened to the calories? Why do I require less to maintain my weight? What changed?? I'm doing the same exact thing and the only thing that keeps my BGs under control is this Difficult restriction of protein. And, it is difficult. I feel like my brain needs more protein, but my BGs won't have it. If I have much more I can see BGs in the 130s, I'm sure. Higher BGs like that also makes me put on weight for no reason. It's frustrating. I feel like my brain is starved. Also, my energy level is always marginal. Better than it was, but certainly not enough to function effectively beyond my four walls. I feel frustrated and a bit discouraged today--and protein starved. I also find that I must have my protein earlier in order to maintain my FBGs. I do take supplements and vitamins (R-ALA and L-Carnitine, aspirin, vitamin D, sometimes GABA and L-Glutamine, calcium, and am trying to find a better multivitamin.) Thanks in advance for all of your input.

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I'll be interested in any responses to your post. I, too, crave protein if I don't have much - and even at calculated "minimum" amounts I always feel like I need more - and eventually pig out on meat to compensate. And my energy level is not up there where I would expect it to be (There may be other non-diabetes BG issues that affect energy, but I haven't discovered any that would account for it.)

Isn't camomile a sedative?

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I'll be interested in any responses to your post. I, too, crave protein if I don't have much - and even at calculated "minimum" amounts I always feel like I need more - and eventually pig out on meat to compensate. And my energy level is not up there where I would expect it to be (There may be other non-diabetes BG issues that affect energy, but I haven't discovered any that would account for it.) Isn't camomile a sedative?
Chamomile has anti-inflammatory properties, especially as it pertains to the digestive system. I noticed that when I'm having digestive issues, chamomile over a few days seems to really work. I've just been taking mine with a bit of stevia, a few cups a night brings my BGs down by at least 20 points. It also makes me very tired (sedative-like properties). I would imagine it decreases cortisol in the process, so very good all-around.

You probably have every idea how I just want to pig out on protein. It takes about 7 hours to convert to glucose, so I never have it after 5PM or it will definitely affect my morning BGs . I wish I could get away with more than the bare minimum. Sometimes I just feel like I have to give in or die and I wind up eating up to 100 grams of protein instead if my required. 66.

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The food I crave the most, if I crave, is meat. Actually, meat is the only food I ever crave. I never thought it was the protein, however. I try to eat my meat with as much fat as possible and find that the higher the fat to protein ratio, the more satisfied I feel afterward.

Any meal that has a lot of protein needs a block of double-cream Bulgarian white cheese (basically feta) or equivalent ready on the side.

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The food I crave the most, if I crave, is meat. Actually, meat is the only food I ever crave. I never thought it was the protein, however. I try to eat my meat with as much fat as possible and find that the higher the fat to protein ratio, the more satisfied I feel afterward. Any meal that has a lot of protein needs a block of double-cream Bulgarian white cheese (basically feta) or equivalent ready on the side.
Yes, absolutely. It is very much meat that I crave. I, too, try to have it with as much fat as possible in order to hit my MACROS. I do wonder about that. Meat is like candy to me. And I often feel deprived when I cannot have more.

What puzzles me, as well, is that my calorie intake must be so much lower to maintain my weight. What is that about??

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I dunno, but when I fat fast (like my 3 day one last week) I sure feel it too -- though I do not eat meat I crave eggs. And yes I MUST limit kcal and protein, in order to maintain my weight. It is a bummer. Hence the fasts rather than constancy.

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Isn't there a point at which a body starts to store (increase fat)rather than release (as in energy) when near starvation is approached?

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It depends on how LONG you are that low.

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One thing you might try is "intermittent fasting". I have a real bad feeling about counting "calories". Maybe because it's such an antiquated concept or maybe it's just a personal feeling. I feel that once you start limiting quantities that you create a context of deprivation which has an insidious negative psychological affect. Also, when you don't get immediate results, there is a temptation to reduce "calories" (total food) even lower to unhealthy levels. We see plenty of that on these forums. That introduces a lot of metabolic negativities and complications.

Long before diabetes, I wanted to lose some weight. What I arrived at was:

1. Eat as much as I want and whatever I want for breakfast between 6 and 7 AM.
2. Have nothing but liquids throughout the day. Unfortunately in my ignorance back then that included a cup of coffee or two with a spoon of sugar (but at least I always used half and half, not "creamer"), so it wasn't a true fast, but much less than I would have eaten otherwise.
3. Eat as much as I want and whatever I want for dinner between 6 and 7 PM.
4. Nothing else

I stuck with this approximately 95% (I wasn't too dogmatic about it) for six years. I lost weight VERY slowly and steadily that entire time for a total loss of 36 pounds. Note the rate: that 1/2 pound per MONTH. It never returned, of course.

After that came diagnosis. Sugars and starches went right away. It took about a total of 6 months to figure our LC/HF. I stumbled on the HF part by accident while travelling. Limited food choices led to very high fat consumption and shockingly good never-before-seen meter readings. That was three years ago.

Anyway, I'm a firm believer in ad libidum eating (NOT "counting"). I still never eat a middle meal, now for two reasons: I probably developed a habit during those 6 years but also, eating LC/HF, I'm just not hungry enough to eat anything other than a light snack.

Some count time sleeping as "fasting" but I have my doubts. No one eats at that time. Most of them recommend at least 16 hours, fitting all your eating into the remaining 8. Others recommend keeping all food within a 6 hour window. Personally, I think there is a lot of benefit if you do this during your waking hours instead and that 12 hours is plenty and even if interrupted by a cup of coffee with HWC and a handful of mixed nuts.

I call this "eating like a horse". The best way to feed horses is twice per day, 12 hours apart. And, of course, horses NEVER count calories.

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Now Salim, do you know for a fact that horses don't count calories

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