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Old 11-19-2013, 20:06   #11
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We won't tell BH you said that.
BH is better half = wife in my case. I do have a friend whose nick name is Big Head.
BG is blood glucose - sometimes BS say blood sugar. you know the other one.
FBG is fasting blood glucose
pp = post prandial = BG test after eating, typically at 1 and 2 hours after first bite
A1c is a 3 month average blood glucose test (HbA1c)

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I'm sure the same nutrition from beans and lentiils can be had from other low-carb vegetables. I like beans (not so much lentils) and can handle a couple tablespoons now and then, as long as there's plenty of fat in the meal - i.e. chili

The best advice I can give you, as one new to LC/HF'ing is to pick a LCHF diet and start with that, tweaking as to your preferences and needs of your diabetes. I started with Atkins Inductions (no, it is not a high protein diet). What was helpful for me was that all the food was listed out with carb counts, and instructions to eat three 10g servings from the vegetable list every day (that is about 1 cup of each - more than enough). The rest is filled out with fats and sources of protein. Lessened my need to research and invent a diet plan for myself.

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I think one of the main benefits for going LCHF is that your body just works better in general. There are a lot of things like hormone production that are disrupted if your fat intake is too low. Since I've gone to eating LCHF and exercising a lot more I feel years younger.

Your protein intake should really be based on your physical activity. If you are doing a lot of weight training and building lean muscle mass then you are going to need more protein in your diet. Eating more protein than you need will result in it being broken down into glucose and basically having it treated like carbohydrates. While normally that's not a big deal it could be enough to push someone out of ketosis if they were doing a keto diet. I'm not sure how you would have to handle that with type 1 diabetes.

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Is it possible to still include small amounts of beans and lentils or should all carbs come from foods like vegetables? This is probably the only thing I am not so keen on about low carb, since I don't like the idea of excluding healthier sources of carbs.
One detail that hasn't been mentioned is the concept of "eat to the meter". What that boils down to is that there are no foods automatically excluded. If there is something that you particularly like, then try a small portion and test after the event. What did it do to your blood sugar? Was the peak below the maximum you have decided to keep to? If the answer is yes, then you can have it. But you make the rules. It's your body

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For those of you on low carb diets:

What benefits have you received since converting?
What drawbacks or negatives have you experienced?
What staple foods do you eat?
Any other info you wish to contribute etc..

I'm thinking of converting to a low carb diet but I'm not sure which one to choose. Prefer a diet that is suitable for vegetarians.
1. Too many to count, basically every measure on every lab.
2. None.
3. Beef rib meat, lamb, goat, string beans, feta cheese, olives avocados, labneh, cucumbers, tomatos, pomegranate, eggs, heavy cream, coconut milk, coconut oil, olive oil, butter

IMO, meat is the single best food we can eat, grass fed if possible along with its fat and organ meat too. Just look it up on any nutrition site. Truly astounding foods. I believe it is what we are meant to eat as the primary food for our species.

I have a rich, satisfying diet, completely normal blood sugars and don't miss anything. I would positively gag trying to live on plants. Humans did not evolve as herbivores.

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Hi Pink Tea and welcome!

I was a vegetarian for many years because I couldn't separate the meat on my plate from the suffering of a live animal. I've also practiced Buddhism for the last 14 years. I pray for the happiness of all sentient beings. I was a full on vego!

Due to another disease, an intolerance to histamine, I couldn't tolerate your normal non-meat sources of protein but I was determined to stay a vego.

As my diabetes went undiagnosed for probably a year or two, I got very very ill. I was incredibly tired. I could barely walk most days. I was always thirsty. I had pins and needles in my toes and heart palpitations ....

I tried juicing (Sick Fat And Nearly Dead docu). I tried expensive vitamins and minerals. I tried increasing my protein. At one stage I was consuming Quinoa for breakfast, lunch and dinner for a month. I got sicker and sicker. What a surprise.

I finally decided I needed to eat meat. I was on my way to a heart attack and stroke so my doctor told me.

At first I couldn't even cook meat without gagging. It took me months to pick up and actually buy ham without picturing a little piglet.

I've come to terms with eating meat. But I always buy free-range, organic and stall-free. I don't really enjoy meat but since eating it I feel so much better. All my D symptoms have gone.

As mentioned, Foxl is able to stay vego and eat LCHF. It can be done. But for me, eating meat has been a life saver.

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foxl isn't bothered with the beheading of lettuce, snapping the ears off of corn, giving peas black eyes, and other such cruelty bestowed upon the plant world.

I don't think she is.

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mbuster but some people believe plants have feelings too. I don't want to go there or I'll be wanting to live on air and the smell of an oily rag!


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Also, it might help to think about the huge number of species which are harmed by huge monoculture farming of the plants we eat. It's actually much more destructive of life and environment than raising animals for meat. Something has to die for you to eat in either case. The book The Vegetarian Myth lays out pretty clearly which one is most destructive.

To raise billions of grazing animals in the entire western US wouldn't have made any major change or impact on the environment that was there. Raising things like wheat and corn has had a huge negative impact on countless species and the environment itself - not the least of which was the great Dustbowl - entirely caused by mass growing of food plants.

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