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Old 01-08-2014, 10:51   #1
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Since I joined yesterday I have been poking around the links that were kindly suggested to me regarding stabilizing BG levels and also weight loss. I can tell ya all right now, the only ones that I might have a chance at succeeding with are the ones with tons of protein and fat. I am having some difficulty believing that you can actually maintain a weight that the doctor would like me to be at, though.

Has anyone here gotten down into a "healthy" weight range following these diets?

I would consider tip toing into it, reducing my potato/ rice/ bread/ fruit/ junk starches, but would have a hard time giving up other starchy veg like sweet potato, pumpkin, beans... is there a diet like that? Or one that just cuts out factory made carbs?

TIA and I hopeI haven't caused too many giggles

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Oh and I will try the oopsie breAd

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If I were you, I would eat to my meter. That's the only way you're going to get your blood sugar under control - by deleting whichever foods raise it above your target range. Have you set a target range? Has your doctor discussed this with you?

It is commonly considered that 7.8mmol/l (140mg/dl) is the jumping off place for organ damage from high blood sugar. So keeping our levels under that number makes sense if we wish to avoid complications in the future, and we CAN avoid complications in the future if we get serious about it in the here-and-now.

Eating to your meter means that you test around your meals until you get a good sense of what your tolerances are. It gives you a tailor-made list of safe foods to use in preparing your meals. Starting from the other end by saying you want to eat such-and-such whether or not it spikes you? Just seems like additional obstacles thrown in the way of you gaining control of your diabetes. Here is a more concise outline for eating to your meter, and I might add that filling your food plan with protein can cause issues as well, because excess protein is converted to glucose just the same as carbs are, only more slowly. The process is called gluconeogenesis, and you can google to find out more about it.

And as regards weight loss? Our members find that concentrating on controlling blood sugar with LCHF works fine and the weight loss takes care of itself. As you're watching your blood sugar drop, the weight drops with it. It's almost automatic. Carbs are what causes weight gain - when they're gone, the weight goes.




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Thanks for the link, eating to my meter was going to be my next google search.It makes sense but is certainly not what anyone else has been telling me.

So if I may try to paraphrase to make sure I understand you correctly, by cutting down the amount of carb I consume per day, even if I increase my fat intake, I should see an improvement in my BG (i remember someone mentioning a law of minimal numbers i think?) and the calorie reduction in my diet, EVEN if I eat more fat, will be so significant as to cause weight loss.

This kinda goes against everything i have ever heard, so forgive me for taking so long to wrap my head around it. I like the concept though, i love fat as much as I love carbs ;!

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Look at it this way: For several recent decades, we've been endoctrinated to eat low fat and high carb. And how's that been working for us? Hardly a rousing success, right? Obesity, diabetes, heart disease & other medical conditions are rampant.

We are a minority, granted, but we've taken the plunge - we've used low-carb/high-fat, some of us for years - so we can say without reservation that it works. LCHF lowers blood sugar, it lowers cholesterol, it lowers blood pressure and it facilitates weight loss. You don't have to believe us - try it for a month and see for yourself.




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Thanks for the link, eating to my meter was going to be my next google search.It makes sense but is certainly not what anyone else has been telling me.

So if I may try to paraphrase to make sure I understand you correctly, by cutting down the amount of carb I consume per day, even if I increase my fat intake, I should see an improvement in my BG (i remember someone mentioning a law of minimal numbers i think?) and the calorie reduction in my diet, EVEN if I eat more fat, will be so significant as to cause weight loss.

This kinda goes against everything i have ever heard, so forgive me for taking so long to wrap my head around it. I like the concept though, i love fat as much as I love carbs ;!
I'd rephrase a little. Instead of "even if I increase my fat intake" with "EXPECIALLY if I increase my fat intake".

And "and the calorie reduction in my diet ... weight loss" with "weight loss will result whether calories are more, the same or less.

Just beware that carbs should ONLY be swapped out for fat, not protein. The latter may still work somewhat for BG control, but probably not for weight loss.

It's NOT a "weight loss" plan. When you get to where you should be, weight loss will just stop without you changing anything. It's more like a weight "optimizing" plan.

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Weight optimizing. That is fantastic.

I would question your 2nd rephrase in that AFAIK weight loss occurs when you burn more calories than you consume, and you gain weight when you burn fewer calories than you consume. A calorie is a unit of energy and your body uses that energy like a machine, right? or have I missed something...

So using Myfitnesspal to plan for dinner, I see I was going to be consuming 50gcarbohydrate. I was planning on making my own refried beans, and shredded chicken tacos with corn tortillas. Having found Donna's comment about the law of small numbers on my intro thread I went and read a page from that doctor's book and was struck by the following paragraph:

"Small inputs, small mistakes. Sounds so simple and straightforward that it may make you want to ask why no one has told you about it before. Say that instead of eating pasta as the carbohydrate portion of your meal, you eat salad. If you estimate 2 cups of salad to total 12 grams of carbohydrate and are off not by 20 percent but by 30 percent, that’s still an uncertainty of only 4 grams of carbohydrate—a maximum potential 20 mg/dl rise or fall in blood sugar. A big bowl of pasta for a couple of cups of salad? Not much of a trade, you may say. Well, we don’t intend that you starve. As you decrease the amount of fast-acting carbohydrate you eat, you can often simultaneously increase the amount of protein you eat. Protein can, as you may recall, also cause a blood sugar rise, but this takes place much more slowly, to a much smaller degree, and is more easily covered with medication."

So what IF... I stayed with the chicken, ate more of the veggie garnish, had some sour cream, and had maybe just 1 tortilla or 15 g of carb worth of beans. I seem to understand that I am more likely to have an in-target outcome than if I had the 50 g carb but no sour cream... hmmm....

ok a quick look at the myfitnesspal app indicates that 1 cup homemade beans is 25g carb and 210 cal, 1 corn tortilla is 11 g carb and 55 cal, and 2 tbsp of sour cream is only 1 g carb and 60 cal. So even if i went hard on the sour cream, 1 tortilla and cream are 13 g carb and 110 cal versus one cup of beans with no tortilla and sour cream at all being 25g carb and double the calories. And in my head I can envision both of these taking up about the same amount of space on my plate. This is interesting.

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plus according to the paragraph above less risk of screwing up and going hypo...

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Some of the concepts of a LCHF diet are hard to wrap your head around. After all,we've all been told for years that high fat is bad for us and will make us fat and damage our heart. Now there's plenty of evidence that's just not true and never was. Even with all the evidence it's still hard to just abandon long held beliefs and practices. With this diet it isn't a matter of whether you eat more fat or not. If you eliminate carbs from your diet you NEED to eat more fat. Your body needs a source of energy and what your trying to do is switch that source from carbs to fat.

I've been on this diet for about 6 weeks. My FBG was 200-220 when I started and is now down to 90-100. I haven't paid much attention to calories and have also lost 19 pounds as of this morning.

The advice Shanny gave you is the best you can get. EAT TO YOUR METER! You have to keep in mind that this is no exact science and the only way to know what you can eat and how much is to test the effect on your BG with a meter. Each person reacts differently to the amount and type of carbs they eat and only testing with your meter will tell you what your tolerances are.

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I'd just add that three years ago I started my "career" with a weight that was 15 pounds into the "overweight" category.

Six months later, my weight had come down by a total of 30 pounds placing me exactly in the middle of the, to use your own expression - "healthy" weight range . The weight loss stopped at that point without any action on my part.

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