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Old 07-02-2014, 14:50   #11
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I suffered through the dietician's advice in a two-day diabetes course when I was first dx with pre-D. Other than the "you need carbs!" diatribe, I found the information pretty useful. She didn't get into how many servings of this or that you should have, she mostly focused on how to determine serving sizes, and carbs per serving. This makes sense because we were focusing on what different diabetic medicines were, what they did, and their side effects, and for many of them you need to medicate to your carb intake. So you need to KNOW your carb intake.
I already know my carb intake -- it's generally between 20 and 30 grams a day, usually closer to 20. I am on basal insulin only, as my post-prandial numbers are not high enough to be a concern.

Besides, I get all the information I need on the 'Net, especially here on this forum. Going to the Dietician would be a waste of both my time and theirs, plus I would need to take time off work for that, which I am not willing to do.

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Yes mate I know but if you have been under the heart surgeons knife?? Diabetes and HF Vs Heart surgery becomes a real choice.

I can tell you from my experience it is not a great feeling when you walk in then they strap you down then start cutting into you under local anesthetic. They had to whack me 3 times with the heart start paddles to bring me back to life.

If I can control my BS without HF then why should I increase my risk of more heart surgery, it makes no sense to me.

I hope you all do well and do not end up with heart or by-pass surgery.
I am very surprised and pleased that you can control BG with low carb and not eating more protein or fat. I personally would not be able to live that way. If I try to, my body is always dreadfully hungry.

My point is just that eating fat isn't what put you into that position where they had to shock you... it was the carbs.

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If I can control my BS without HF then why should I increase my risk of more heart surgery, it makes no sense to me.

I hope you all do well and do not end up with heart or by-pass surgery.
You are correct that you should not increase the risk of more heart surgery. You are incorrect that eating fats is the cause of the risk. Do you happen to know your APO E genotype? It is possible that fats could be bad for you, or they could be good for you. One shouldn't make assumptions without knowing.

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I do not know if any of the HF enthusiasts have been under the hearts surgeons knife.

I have but only for a pacemaker.

Firstly I was unaware I had a heart problem and it was only found by accident when I was "forgotten" in a waiting room and when they finally took my pulse it had dropped to 30. This triggered tests over the next two weeks where I got an insight into what really happens to us all as we age with a view to ME MAKING A DECISION that might save my life or kill me.

I was given the possible solutions.

The first option was to "KILL" me and start my heart again. (this you must agree is a daunting prospect) but it was discounted as not fixing the problem. Then I got to see on screen my pump battling along. The hardened artery thing was explained (cholesterol medication is preventative med) it is plaque that narrows the pipework but the drama is when bits of plaque break away and lodge somewhere (no one wants a stroke in particular).

I had my pacemaker inserted and screwed into my heart under local anesthetic with a soporific drug - they said I might doze off and I did but I awoke when they paddled me with the jumper leads because I had either died under the stress or they had stopped my heart deliberately.

Anyway back to diet, my heart specialist asked me what I ate and drank, and declared one bottle of spirits per week would kill me before my time, and that I should not eat much processed meat or cheese.

I took his advice seriously and in the process of getting my pacemaker I was processed by a second team so I did end up with a second opinion or 3.

My new Diabetes specialist wanted to get me off insulin so he took me off carbs except for incidental carbs and wanted more veg but did not mention fats.

I control my diet and I do not want to die again temporarily or permanent so my diet is LC but NOT HF.

Everyone makes their own choices but pro HF statements in here probably need a bit of balance so I wrote the above.

We all have a responsibility for our own total health so it is good to look at all the facets.

I hear people all the time saying the doc wanted me to ....... but I think too many meds are bad for me. As well as they know best when it comes to diet.

It is very lonely walking into the operating theater wearing a gown with your bum hanging out the back and laying own on the slab, knowing they are about to kill you. There is no ceremony or roll of drums just some people hanging around ready to do the job they are paid for.

So HF is not for me.
LCHF MOE has been shown time and again to INCREASE HDL and DECREASE triglycerides. Cardiologists just love high HDL and low triglycerides. I eat LCHF and have high HDL and low triglycerides.
I tried LCLF and ended up with cold hands and feet, not surprisingly as they were not getting enough fuel. There is no logical reason not to eat high fats when you are on low carbs because its the compensation fuel for the left out carbs. Also the fats dont remain fats and deposit themselves in your blood vessels, they are converted into ketones. The body uses these ketones instead of glucose which is normally produced from the carbohydrates. If you go LCLF your body will canabilise your fat stores and muscle tissues to supply your body with fuel. If only these doctors knew something about nutrition everything would be great, but they dont. Thats why I dont give a camels hump about their nutritional advice. And yeah, I have been under the knife, quadriple bypass in 2002. Heart attack 1989 and now prediabeties.Doesnt get very cold in Brisbane,even in the winter, but dont be surprised if you too get cold feet and hands or have trouble maintaining a LCLF WOE.

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My LC diet has changed my cholesterol and for the first time ever the Hdl and the triglyc are in the normal range and the total is in the normal range WITHOUT HF, so that was a bonus for me.

What is supposed to happen according to my specialist is if I can get my weight down to normal than I can tolerate more carbs. So instead of eating more fats to maintain weight I am supposed to be able to increase carbs (still low tho). I have another 10 KG to lose.

I am tickled pink, my LC is going gangbusters for me.

I am not hungry all the time like I was on insulin and so far I am not on restrictive servings or counting anything. (yet).

Not all medical advice is bad, as an example the Wesley Hospital in Brisbane has a world wide reputation for research.

Wesley and has collated a volume of real case diabetes results, and it is ongoing. Wesley is on the cutting edge and not just a follower of fashion.

Wesley LifeShape Clinic | Weight Loss & Diabetes Programs Brisbane

Here is a quote from the above website.

A Little More About Carbohydrates
Foods containing carbohydrates are the only foods that have a direct effect on blood glucose levels.

It is important to include carbohydrate foods in your diet. However, it is best to have smaller more frequent amounts, instead of large servings.

Foods that contain carbohydrate include:

Breads and grains
Starchy vegetables – potatoes, sweet potatoes
Fruit
Milk and milk products
Foods that contain high amounts of added sugar – jam, honey, soft drink, cordial, sweets, chocolate, cakes and biscuits (PLEASE NOTE: these are best to include only occasionally)

This is general advice and their programs are one on one. (like a personal trainer but with a team)

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Ever hear anybody say anything about don't tinkle in my ear and then tell me its raining?

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Ever hear anybody say anything about don't tinkle in my ear and then tell me its raining?
Sorry if I offended you Mythbuster and Shanny and all the regular Pro LCHF posters.

Opposing views keeps threads alive.

It is not in doubt that posters think they are on a winner with LCHF and they unselfishly want to spread the word.

It also not in doubt that there is a valid argument for LC without HF, an argument that considers complete health care and not just diabetes.

Posters and lurkers should be able to read about LCHF and LC then make their own minds up.

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What I get from this post is: it's hard to give up the carbs. And it is--at first. And it is--if I cheat just once. When I'm LCHF for awhile I don't even think about carbs, and I'm between 20 and 30 per day. Somehow I just naturally stop. As for high fat with very low carb, it has been shown to be protective of the heart. Sad to think of all those people who suffered heart conditions needlessly... Such bad science (although in that case, No science).

Still, if a person can tolerate more carbs the question is: Should they?? My humble opinion is "not much more" because it's not just about diabetes, it's about arthritis, thyroid issues, heart problems, cancer, etc, etc, etc... That said, it is true that some people can eat whatever and live long, healthy, and happy lives. I'm just not into gambling. But that's just me.

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Frances? It might be good if you knew the history of this board and many of our people. We aren't against anyone who can control their blood sugars without high fats - if it works for you and you aren't starving all the time, by all means go for it. But the mission of this forum is support, not debate. And before I proceed, I think it would be good if you learned the truth about the fats & how they came to be demonized, and how the truth is now emerging at long last. Ending the War on Fat.

Since you've shared what works for you, we accept that and I think it unnecessary that you continue pressing the issue just because 'opposing views keeps threads alive'. That is not what we're here for.

And you should know this is one of the few diabetes forums who even permit LCHF to be discussed. If it is allowed at all, a separate board is designated for those discussions, and it can't be mentioned in other general conversations on those forums.

We didn't start out leaning toward the LCHF lifestyle, but it has turned out that way because LCHFers aren't welcome on other diabetes boards. So they come here and what you see is the result. They aren't advocating LCHF because it's the current fad - they advocate because IT WORKS. It lowers blood sugar, it lowers blood pressure, it lowers cholesterol and it also completely eliminates all the symptoms of GERD and other digestive issues, often with no other meds. The only specific advice we promote is eat-to-your-meter, and if that means LCHF, so be it.

Maybe if you'd been banned from other forums just for mentioning your preferred method of control, you'd be a little less aggressive with us. Several us have run that gauntlet - been abused, harassed, suspended and banned from other forums, just because of our LCHF lifestyle. When we got here, we made a conscious decision that this forum would not be like those others. We strive for peace and harmony, and we will have peace and harmony. We will not have this safe haven turned into a battleground over fats. If it is unacceptable to you that LCHF is the primary method here, then there are hundreds of other forums where you will fit in just fine. There are not so many where we fit in - we've been there, done that.

What we are about is good, realistic management for diabetes. You are more than welcome here, but the emphasis on debate and opposing viewpoints will have to stop. We are here to provide a safe peaceful place where people can learn how best to control their diabetes. They can read what we have to say, and if it isn't to their liking, there are all those other forums that will feed them the standard ADA propaganda. But we will not be debating you over this issue. Full stop.




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It also not in doubt that there is a valid argument for LC without HF, an argument that considers complete health care and not just diabetes.
I respect your independence, and standing by your beliefs, and you do have the right to that.

But if you are LC, then you have to be high something to compensate. The other 2 options are Proteins & Fats. And no doctor can advocate High Protein. They all know that it is dangerous.

Possibly, you have just eliminated some types of foods (carbs) but are still eating a high carb and not a low carb diet.

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