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Old 06-30-2014, 06:30   #1
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Since I joined back my routine, having a silent laugh at one of my diabetic friend at work, not wanting to start an argument. The person is type 2, weighs about 100 kg and keeps on munching puffed rice without oil whole day. He advises me to avoid cheese, saturated fat and red meat out of sheer consideration for my well being . He is on vildagliptin and metformin. 4 years after dx, he could get his a1c from 6.3 to 5.9 and he thinks that is a great achievement. He does not test at all.
The general medical advise has surely messed up people's lives and it is very difficult to make them see the truth.

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A co-worker whose husband is a T2 diabetic (and who does all the cooking for her husband) was shocked to discover that I avoid both grains and fruit, as she makes sure her husband eats plenty of both... as per the advice from their physician.

(My doctor wants me to talk with the clinic's dietician. I keep refusing.)

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Just another example of how this site helps so many of us. So much poor advice is given to so many people , short of amazing.

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(My doctor wants me to talk with the clinic's dietician. I keep refusing.)
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(My doctor wants me to talk with the clinic's dietician. I keep refusing.)
I suffered through the dietician's advice in a two-day diabetes course when I was first dx with pre-D. Other than the "you need carbs!" diatribe, I found the information pretty useful. She didn't get into how many servings of this or that you should have, she mostly focused on how to determine serving sizes, and carbs per serving. This makes sense because we were focusing on what different diabetic medicines were, what they did, and their side effects, and for many of them you need to medicate to your carb intake. So you need to KNOW your carb intake.

Depending on your tolerance for stupidity, and your ability to nod and say "Hmm" as if you agree even if you don't, it might be worthwhile to talk to a nutritionist. It would quiet your doctor, and you might learn something interesting... and it might actually teach the nutritionist something, depending on how it goes.

Personally, I fall back on the Insulin-Resistance Diet framework when I talk to doctors. It allows up to 30 grams carb/meal, which the doc is okay with (even though it's not the 45-60 that the diabetic nutritionist was talking about!). I just don't mention the fact that I seldom eat that much. And I know what to emphasize and de-emphasize when I talk to nutritionists... I tell them I had eggs scrambled with veggies and a cup of coffee for breakfast. I don't tell them the "veggies" were a sliver of onion, the eggs were cooked in butter, and the coffee had cream in it...

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I do not know if any of the HF enthusiasts have been under the hearts surgeons knife.

I have but only for a pacemaker.

Firstly I was unaware I had a heart problem and it was only found by accident when I was "forgotten" in a waiting room and when they finally took my pulse it had dropped to 30. This triggered tests over the next two weeks where I got an insight into what really happens to us all as we age with a view to ME MAKING A DECISION that might save my life or kill me.

I was given the possible solutions.

The first option was to "KILL" me and start my heart again. (this you must agree is a daunting prospect) but it was discounted as not fixing the problem. Then I got to see on screen my pump battling along. The hardened artery thing was explained (cholesterol medication is preventative med) it is plaque that narrows the pipework but the drama is when bits of plaque break away and lodge somewhere (no one wants a stroke in particular).

I had my pacemaker inserted and screwed into my heart under local anesthetic with a soporific drug - they said I might doze off and I did but I awoke when they paddled me with the jumper leads because I had either died under the stress or they had stopped my heart deliberately.

Anyway back to diet, my heart specialist asked me what I ate and drank, and declared one bottle of spirits per week would kill me before my time, and that I should not eat much processed meat or cheese.

I took his advice seriously and in the process of getting my pacemaker I was processed by a second team so I did end up with a second opinion or 3.

My new Diabetes specialist wanted to get me off insulin so he took me off carbs except for incidental carbs and wanted more veg but did not mention fats.

I control my diet and I do not want to die again temporarily or permanent so my diet is LC but NOT HF.

Everyone makes their own choices but pro HF statements in here probably need a bit of balance so I wrote the above.

We all have a responsibility for our own total health so it is good to look at all the facets.

I hear people all the time saying the doc wanted me to ....... but I think too many meds are bad for me. As well as they know best when it comes to diet.

It is very lonely walking into the operating theater wearing a gown with your bum hanging out the back and laying own on the slab, knowing they are about to kill you. There is no ceremony or roll of drums just some people hanging around ready to do the job they are paid for.

So HF is not for me.

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Frances, you are making the assumption that eating fat is bad for you.

As a start, be sure to check out these sites:


Blood Sugar 101

LCHF for Beginners | DietDoctor.com

They contain a lot of great info about diabetes and the way to stay healthy.

Many of us here follow a low carb, high fat diet. It keeps your BG low and is heart healthy! Yes, you have been deceived all these years.

The Fat Question: Why fat doesn’t make you fat | Eat Naked Now

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My everlovin' husband had a massive MI nearly two years ago and now has two stents. We had been on LCHF for three years at that time, and his cholesterol levels were excellent for a man of 78 years (HDL: 61, LDL: 97, TG: 102, total chol: 178). We have continued to eat LCHF since this incident and there are several other members here who have had cardiac events and who still maintain good health with LCHF. The thing is, dietary fats are not what clogs peoples' arteries - carbs do. And if we don't eat enough dietary fat, then our bodies manufacture cholesterol to meet the needs. Only about 10-15% of our cholesterol is from dietary sources, our livers manufacture nearly 90% of it 'in-house'.

The way to get rid of plaques in our arteries is to get our HDL levels high. It's the HDL that naturally carries away 'bad' cholesterol from the plaques.




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@ MNB - I would not laugh silently if it were my friend. I'd try. The choice is always his, but I'd try.

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Frances, you are making the assumption that eating fat is bad for you.

As a start, be sure to check out these sites:


Blood Sugar 101

LCHF for Beginners | DietDoctor.com

They contain a lot of great info about diabetes and the way to stay healthy.

Many of us here follow a low carb, high fat diet. It keeps your BG low and is heart healthy! Yes, you have been deceived all these years.

The Fat Question: Why fat doesn’t make you fat | Eat Naked Now
Yes mate I know but if you have been under the heart surgeons knife?? Diabetes and HF Vs Heart surgery becomes a real choice.

I can tell you from my experience it is not a great feeling when you walk in then they strap you down then start cutting into you under local anesthetic. They had to whack me 3 times with the heart start paddles to bring me back to life.

If I can control my BS without HF then why should I increase my risk of more heart surgery, it makes no sense to me.

I hope you all do well and do not end up with heart or by-pass surgery.

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