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Old 07-15-2014, 10:48   #11
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I am one of those unfortunates whose LDLSs go up by at least 100 and just stays there (almost 2 years now)... or, lately, just keeps climbing. Is it genetic? My gut says, "No." HDLs are in the 80s, as well as Trigs, but LDLs now are above 250. Is this bad news? Well, it doesn't feel like great news, but I'm pressing on for a while more because LCHF certainly does lower blood sugar. It's just a catch-22.

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Is it genetic? My gut says, "No."
Is this bad news?
It's the ApoE gene that is being blamed. There are a couple of threads on the forum you could read.

IMO, it's no news. But that's just my opinion. LDL also has a very benign immune function in the body. So it may be good news, after all.

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I am one of those unfortunates whose LDLSs go up by at least 100 and just stays there (almost 2 years now)... or, lately, just keeps climbing.
Have you had the particle size tested? My LDL is higher than would seem to be indicated by my lower HDL and trigs - but it's Type A (large) so I'm not going to fret over it anymore.

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Bree, im glad you are pressing on. From recent reports it seems the link between cholesterol (even blood cholesterol) and heart disease seems sketchy at best, while the link between high BLOOD SUGAR and heart disease does not seem to be in question... One recent study even says after a certain age (i dont know how old you are) cholesterol in the blood seems to have a PROTECTIVE effect so.. ::shrugs:: i do know that both my parents died young (dad was only 56, mom was 61) from heart related complications of diabetes...so for me, low carb is the way to go.

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My doctor won't do particle testing. They are so hardcore statin people, completely obstinate. I'm 47. I would like to get it down a bit, but my body is just going through the paces right now with whatever is going on in my body. I can't see any other way of eating other than LCHF. The last thing I need is to battle high blood sugar along with my current situation. It's nice to know that higher LDLs could be protective as I can use all the protection if can get.

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hmmm, now statins.. THOSE i have heard nothing but bad about... even their own commercials say they do not treat or cure any disease...

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My total cholesterol is still high 300s; LDL low 200s; HDL 80-low 90s. Been in and around there since November, 2008. Two years ago (right before I was diagnosed with a blocked coronary artery, and had a stent inserted) I had an NMR test done. 92+% of my LDL was the large, fluffy kind. Much of my history is recorded in the comments to a March, 2010 blog posting by Jenny Ruhl, Does the low-carb diet raise cholesterol?.

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My doctor won't do particle testing. They are so hardcore statin people, completely obstinate. I'm 47. I would like to get it down a bit, but my body is just going through the paces right now with whatever is going on in my body. I can't see any other way of eating other than LCHF. The last thing I need is to battle high blood sugar along with my current situation. It's nice to know that higher LDLs could be protective as I can use all the protection if can get.
Have you checked out the UC San Diego Statin Effects Study? Excerpt (emphasis added):
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SHOULD YOU BE ON CHOLESTEROL-LOWERING DRUGS?

This is a decision you must make with your doctor. The following should be taken into account.

Middle aged men with significant risk for heart disease probably benefit more than they are harmed, in terms of survival (The West of Scotland Study). Risk factors include hypertension, smoking, diabetes, premature heart disease in a first degree relative and low HDL. Those who do not have high risk for heart disease experience a lower rate of heart deaths, but not even a trend toward lower overall death rate (The Texcaps/ACAPS study). (The total death rate was infinitesimally higher in the statin group.)

As of this writing, no study has shown statins or any other cholesterol drugs to lower overall mortality in women; and epidemiologically, cholesterol in women does not have the same relation to mortality as in men. Although higher cholesterol is linked to a higher rate of heart attacks per se, it is not linked to overall cardiovascular death or to overall death; indeed, lower cholesterol is linked to a slightly higher risk in some studies. Consistent with this, there is a decided reduction in heart attacks in women with statins, but the death rate overall -- or even cardiovascular death rate - has not been shown to be reduced. It is possible that there are subgroups of women for whom statins confer benefit exceeding risk, but this has never been demonstrated.

No studies have examined the impact of statins in randomized trials in those over age 75. Epidemiological studies show higher cholesterol to be protective, rather than harmful, in this age group, so it cannot be assumed that lowering cholesterol confers benefit exceeding risk. Low cholesterol may be a risk factor for heart arrhythmias, which are the leading cause of death if heart attacks occur; and in the elderly, a heart rhythm abnormality called atrial fibrillation, that may be increased with low cholesterol, is a particularly important risk factor for stroke in the older elderly. It is possible that there are subgroups of those over age 75 for whom statins confer benefit exceeding risk, but this has never been demonstrated. This would most likely be the case in persons at very high risk of death from heart disease, who are at comparatively low risk for other illness and injury.

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