Poor Cholesterol Numbers

Go Back   The Diabetes Forum Support Community For Diabetics Online > Diabetes Forum Community > Diabetes Diet and Nutrition

Diabetes Diet and Nutrition A healthy, well balanced, nutritious diet which factors in Diabetes can be crucial for the long term management of Diabetes. Use this section to discuss your diet, what you would like to try, swap recipes and more.


Like Tree18Likes
  • 3 Post By John.in.France
  • 3 Post By VeeJay
  • 1 Post By David Burke
  • 3 Post By Patdart
  • 2 Post By mbuster
  • 4 Post By grammaB
  • 2 Post By skb

Poor Cholesterol Numbers


Closed Thread
 
Shared Thread Thread Tools
Old 09-18-2014, 19:54   #1
Active Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 30

Member Type
Type Pre
Diagnosed in 2013

17 likes received
8 likes given
Default Poor Cholesterol Numbers

So, I am about 7 months into my new low carb WOE and it has been a very positive change for me. My A1C is slowly coming down, I've lost 50 pounds and my nerve pain has slightly improved. So imagine my surprise when I went in for a full blood work-up and physical and my doc told me I have VERY high cholesterol!

I am aware of the assertion that weight loss can free up fatty acids which enter the bloodstream and temporarily raise cholesterol. I'm also aware of the fact that TC and LDL numbers are poor indicators of cardiovascular risk. However, I've been low carb a while and any temporary increase should have subsided by now. Also, I had an ApoB test which is a much better indicator of cardio risk and my score was 118, definitely high risk. Perhaps if I had not had the ApoB I would be less concerned, as ApoB measures the small more dangerous particles.

For camparison my numbers 12 months ago (before low carb):
TC: 154
Tri: 81
HDL: 50
LDL: 88
VLDL: 16

And now:
TC: 244
Tri: 69
HDL: 56
LDL: 188
VLDL: 14
APoB: 118

I will try to improve my gut flora with pre and pro-biotics because this may help clear cholesterol from the blood, but if this doesn't work I am stumped. Any suggestions to strike a balance between lowering glucose and maintain a lower cholesterol level?

alylocarb is offline  
Old 09-18-2014, 20:04   #2
Active Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,607


10903 likes received
1862 likes given
Default

Are you still losing weight? If you are that will distort your cholesterol numbers.

But - let's look at the important numbers.
  • HDL - that has gone up. Good!
  • Triglycerides - that has gone down. Good!
The LDL number is a calculation based on a 1970s sample of folk with very high triglycerides and heart disease. Do you fit that population?

As you know the significance of total cholesterol as indicative of heart disease doesn't really have much supporting evidence (real evidence that is!), so I would not be particularly concerned with your numbers that don't look that different to mine.

Shanny, Shalynne and grammaB like this.
John.in.France is offline  
Old 09-18-2014, 20:21   #3
Moderator
 
VeeJay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Midwest USA
Posts: 9,417

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2010

11986 likes received
4455 likes given
Default

Seven months is not long enough. It took me two years for my cholesterol to improve overall and for the large fluffy particles to emerge. I wouldn't put much store in the APoB number so early in the game.

Shanny, Shalynne and grammaB like this.
__________________
Diagnosed 2010
Eat LCHF to control BG
My low-carb recipe collection on Pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/VRStudio1/...light-recipes/
VeeJay is offline  
 
Old 09-18-2014, 20:31   #4
Inactive Member
 
David Burke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 5,318

Member Type
Type Undiagnosed
Diagnosed in None

5321 likes received
Default

I don't see anything to worry about. Tg:Hdl ratio is a bit over 1. Less than 2 is ideal. With Hdl over 60 you're great. Losing weight skews Lipids anyway Sent from my iPhone

Edit: oops. Was backwards on values, but 59 is close enough to 60 right? Lol
You're still good.

Shanny likes this.

Last edited by David Burke; 09-18-2014 at 20:39.
David Burke is offline  
Old 09-18-2014, 20:49   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 8,795

Member Type
Type Undiagnosed
Diagnosed in 2010

6333 likes received
12139 likes given
Default

It looks fine to me too. i'd say you are in transition and that sort of profile is to be expected. And, it did take a couple of years for mine to settle down.




Shanny, silvertiger and grammaB like this.
__________________

View Patdart's full Diabetes Forum profile here.
Patdart is offline  
Old 09-18-2014, 22:49   #6
Moderator
 
mbuster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SW Arkansas
Posts: 9,357

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in Feb. 2012

11307 likes received
6587 likes given
Default

Your numbers do not look bad, HDL/trig ratio is good. The recommended numbers have been lowered over the year for cholesterol, BP, and probably for other things checked too. Is the reason because it improves health or profit margin?

Shanny and Patdart like this.
__________________
Think I've had this since 2003. Told I was Type 2 lean on 2/13/12.
a1c 8.8 (8/2011) 5.2 (02/2020)
TC 183 LDL 102 HDL 65 TG 52 (02/20/2020)
Supplemental vitamins and electrolytes
65 YY Love the LCHF diet. The cheese goes well with my whine

updated 10/12/2020
mbuster is offline  
Old 09-19-2014, 00:23   #7
Senior Member
 
grammaB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Beautiful Big Sky Montana, USA
Posts: 7,783

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2012

7323 likes received
13044 likes given
Default

Give it more time, you are still early on with this. Just don't let the dr scare you into a statin!

Shanny, Shalynne, Patdart and 1 others like this.
__________________

View grammaB's full Diabetes Forum profile here.
grammaB is offline  
Old 09-19-2014, 07:55   #8
Active Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 30

Member Type
Type Pre
Diagnosed in 2013

17 likes received
8 likes given
Default

Thanks for responding, I agree that I am still fairly "new" to this WOE and I believe my body is going through some serous changes and adjustments. I hope that if I give it time my numbers will come back to normal. However, heart disease runs in my family and I cannot help but be nervous about the ApoB number. Every low carb source I can find (Dr Attia, Chris Kessler, etc) say a high ApoB is a real problem. So, I think I will try the Berberine my doc suggested for my blood sugar. Ironically it has been shown to seriously lower cholesterol as well as blood sugar. I've avoided it because of Jenny Ruhls blog. But since I only intend to use it in the short term I believe it's worth trying. Don't worry I never intend to take a statin!

alylocarb is offline  
Old 09-19-2014, 08:21   #9
skb
Diabetic
 
skb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Mumbai, INDIA
Posts: 2,680

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2007

4080 likes received
2435 likes given
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by alylocarb View Post
Any suggestions to strike a balance between lowering glucose and maintain a lower cholesterol level?
Your numbers look quite OK to me as all the others have said.
Also time is important. Be patient. The lipids take a longer time to respond to LCHF.

If you are overtly concerned about LDL clearance. That happens in the liver and the thyroid hormones play an important role in that process. If your thyroids are normal, hang on. If not think of hormonal therapy. Another substance that helps is Vitamin E. It helps in reducing the oxidation as far as the fats are concerned.

Finally, your ApoB number is within range (55-140). It is pertinent to remember that each non-HDL particle (so called bad Chol) carries 4-5 ApoB proteins. With the increase in LDL that increase in ApoB is to be expected. But if the LDL is large, fluffy, buoyant & therefore benign, there is nothing to worry about.
Conversely, each HDL particle carries a single ApoA1 protein. So if that has also increased your ApoB/ApoA1 ratio would have come down. And that is good news. Keep it under 1.0 but the lower the better (safer).

Keep up with the LCHF and let the body's wisdom decide what it wants to keep low or high.

gotsomeold and alylocarb like this.
__________________
A1c ~ 5.4
Follow LC/HF diet since Aug 2010
Control only with diet/exercise. No meds.

Blog - Metabolically Challenged

Last edited by skb; 09-19-2014 at 14:18.
skb is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Researchers discover new explanation for diabetes and poor growth kantim Diabetes News 0 04-24-2013 13:22
My cholesterol numbers diabeticfootball Diabetes Diet and Nutrition 7 01-09-2013 08:40
Poor Grandma!! Richard157 Diabetes Forum Lounge 0 08-20-2012 18:11
Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance captain1 Diabetes Forum Lounge 16 05-09-2012 20:42
my poor fingers.... tony0611 Diabetes Forum Lounge 10 09-29-2011 17:01

LEGAL NOTICE
By using this Website, you agree to abide by our Terms and Conditions (the "Terms"). This notice does not replace our Terms, which you must read in full as they contain important information. You must not post any defamatory, unlawful or undesirable content, or any content copied from a third party, on the Website. You must not copy material from the Website except in accordance with the Terms. This Website gives users an opportunity to share information only and is not intended to contain any advice which you should rely upon. It does not replace the need to take professional or other advice. We have no liability to you or any other person in respect of any content on this Website.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:17.




Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.