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Old 10-06-2014, 22:03   #1
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Hello all. I am trying my hand at LC/HF. Its been two days at lower than 76 carbs per day and my BG has been hovering at around 140-150, which high for me. I'm a pumper, should I bump my Basil rate up? Should I eat more fat or do I just need time to adjust? I eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, one piece of whole wheat toast and butter, coffee with heavy cream. Lunch is ham, cheese, mayo and one piece of whole wheat, cheese stick and olives. Dinner was a cup of home made chili. Snacks are cheese sticks, nuts, olives, hummus and cucumbers. Little advice please.

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Drop the toast to start with. Grains are definitely not part of LCHF. Those two slices would be about 30g carb (depending on brand etc). That's what many of us eat in an entire day.

Also, not too sure about that chili either. Most tomato sauce, paste, etc spike me. Plus beans in that chili? They'll spike to too

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Drop the toast to start with. Grains are definitely not part of LCHF. Those two slices would be about 30g carb (depending on brand etc). That's what many of us eat in an entire day. Also, not too sure about that chili either. Most tomato sauce, paste, etc spike me. Plus beans in that chili? They'll spike to too Sent from my iPhone
Ok dropping the toast and probably the chili. I I bolus for them as usual and have kept the same basil rate as before the LC/HF (not that it justifies eating bread while on LC/HF) Not sure why the lingering high while the only thing I've changed is the lower of carbs and the increase of fat intake. Any ideas?

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Yep. I vote for dumping the grains entirely (you can re-introduce later, after acclimation). And TIME. Your liver, because of your previous eating habits, has a bunch of extra glucose stored up. When you transition from burning carbs to burning fat, your body gets a little confused. So you liver dumps all the extra glucose into your bloodstream, because it's being "helpful". Once you are keto-adapted (burning fat for fuel), it doesn't do that as much anymore (unless you inadvertently over-carb and it has those handy stores again).

And be sure you are testing which ingredients are affecting you! For instance, I can do some tomatoes, but not much. NO RICE (ever). But occasional foray's with wheat I can handle (but with other problems, so I try to avoid it).

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Yep. I vote for dumping the grains entirely (you can re-introduce later, after acclimation). And TIME. Your liver, because of your previous eating habits, has a bunch of extra glucose stored up. When you transition from burning carbs to burning fat, your body gets a little confused. So you liver dumps all the extra glucose into your bloodstream, because it's being "helpful". Once you are keto-adapted (burning fat for fuel), it doesn't do that as much anymore (unless you inadvertently over-carb and it has those handy stores again). And be sure you are testing which ingredients are affecting you! For instance, I can do some tomatoes, but not much. NO RICE (ever). But occasional foray's with wheat I can handle (but with other problems, so I try to avoid it).
When talking about time, are we talking days or weeks? Looking at bumping up my basil
rate over a period of days if my BG doesn't normalize by then.

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When talking about time, are we talking days or weeks? Looking at bumping up my basil
rate over a period of days if my BG doesn't normalize by then.
Every Body is different. I would agree with your approach to give it a few days, then bump. Depending on your version of how low carb, and how high-fat are also factors in when your body decides to be fully keto-adapted. It is NOT unusual for the process to take weeks, especially the first time.

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It took me about two weeks. It probably would have been quicker but I also, was trying to hold on to the toast, and for me, apples and yogurt. If you get a dull headache for days and days, you're doing it right. Drink lots of water and add some salt to your diet to compensate for the headaches.

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If BG is higher with less carbs and same insulin dosage, I got to wonder if new insulin in pump or if you changed sites (less absorption) or maybe wrong carb count. Different types of beans can have significant difference in amount of carbs.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about insulin.

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When I started switching to LC I would do everything (drop a carb serving and basal accordingly) once a week. That gave me time to see if my calculations were correct and everything was still tracking. If I had to spend more time making sure adjustments were correct that was fine as well. Not a rush.

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Thanks everyone for your input. I'm day three or four into this thing and the blood sugar is coming down nicely. I woke up today at 106 and was 109 two hours after breakfast. I notice I haven't had any highs or lows which is unusual for me. Every thing has been real stable.

Currently I haven't had any headache. I have a few moments of nausea, not used to fatty foods. I guess. I'm a little shaky from time to time. Energy levels are fine. I also notice I have very little appetite.

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