LCHF Questions

Go Back   The Diabetes Forum Support Community For Diabetics Online > Diabetes Forum Community > Diabetes Diet and Nutrition

Diabetes Diet and Nutrition A healthy, well balanced, nutritious diet which factors in Diabetes can be crucial for the long term management of Diabetes. Use this section to discuss your diet, what you would like to try, swap recipes and more.


Like Tree21Likes

LCHF Questions


Closed Thread
 
Shared Thread Thread Tools
Old 10-12-2014, 17:52   #1
Senior Member
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: South Jordan Utah USA
Posts: 356

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2014

776 likes received
57 likes given
Default LCHF Questions

I'm 5 weeks in from my DX. I initially focused on reducing my sugar, but then I realized that I need to focus on low carb. I've been trying to put fat into my diet as much as I can. Since my DX, I've lost 18 lbs, my BG was 206 and I've been consistently under 110 during the last week. I'm a believer in LCHF, but I have questions.

1. What scientific studies have endorsed LCHF long-term for diabetics? I saw the ADA article, but it wasn't a resounding endorsement. People think I'm a "crazy food person" when I tell them LC and especially the HF part of the diet. My cholesterol at DX was high at 200, and I'm hoping my weight loss and lower BG will lower my cholesterol when I go back to my doctor. My Dr recommend LCLF and he didn't exactly recommend a LCHF. I think he thought I was a crazy food person.

2. I'm trying to stay under 60 carbs a day. If I've only used 20 carbs for lunch and breakfast, does that mean I can have 40 carbs for dinner? My wife has been awesome, but to her math, I can eat a lot of carbs at dinner because I've been low carb at breakfast and lunch.

3. I know your supposed to test to your meter; however, is there a ball park figure of how much fat you should have in a day to balance out the low carbs?

4. When I have told people about the LCHF diet, I get the same response. Oh, that diet is only for people with diabetes. From what I have read, people without diabetes would benefit as much as people with the disease. Is there any information about this? Yes, I've read every word on dietdoctor.com and the information is awesome.

I love this forum and I've learned a lot from everyone. I look forward to your answers.


Last edited by Sojodave; 10-12-2014 at 17:54. Reason: grammar
Sojodave is offline  
Old 10-12-2014, 18:23   #2
Inactive Member
 
David Burke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 5,318

Member Type
Type Undiagnosed
Diagnosed in None

5321 likes received
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojodave View Post
I'm 5 weeks in from my DX. I initially focused on reducing my sugar, but then I realized that I need to focus on low carb. I've been trying to put fat into my diet as much as I can. Since my DX, I've lost 18 lbs, my BG was 206 and I've been consistently under 110 during the last week. I'm a believer in LCHF, but I have questions. 1. What scientific studies have endorsed LCHF long-term for diabetics? I saw the ADA article, but it wasn't a resounding endorsement. People think I'm a "crazy food person" when I tell them LC and especially the HF part of the diet. My cholesterol at DX was high at 200, and I'm hoping my weight loss and lower BG will lower my cholesterol when I go back to my doctor. My Dr recommend LCLF and he didn't exactly recommend a LCHF. I think he thought I was a crazy food person. 2. I'm trying to stay under 60 carbs a day. If I've only used 20 carbs for lunch and breakfast, does that mean I can have 40 carbs for dinner? My wife has been awesome, but to her math, I can eat a lot of carbs at dinner because I've been low carb at breakfast and lunch. 3. I know your supposed to test to your meter; however, is there a ball park figure of how much fat you should have in a day to balance out the low carbs? 4. When I have told people about the LCHF diet, I get the same response. Oh, that diet is only for people with diabetes. From what I have read, people without diabetes would benefit as much as people with the disease. Is there any information about this? Yes, I've read every word on dietdoctor.com and the information is awesome. I love this forum and I've learned a lot from everyone. I look forward to your answers.
1. Avoid ADA. They have major conflicts of interest in their recommendations and approach. You can google doctors such as phinney, voleck, attia, enfeldt for their research. Also bloodsugar101 will have cross-references to major studies.

2. High carb meals at dinner, or any other time, will cause spike and allow your body to replenish its glycogen stores resulting in higher fasting numbers.

3. Keep all readings under 140. Many of us set a lower goal than that just for comfort.

4. See response to 1, especially concerning lipids, cancer, weight loss, fatty liver, high blood pressure, etc.

Sent from my iPhone

David Burke is offline  
Old 10-12-2014, 23:30   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 127

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2011

237 likes received
99 likes given
Default

Why care what other people think or say? If LCHF works for you, do it. When asked, I tend to tell people about the LC part, but sometimes don't mention the HF part, simply to avoid discussions about it. But most people will say something like "oh, like Atkins" and I'll "yes, something like that", and that will be the end of the discussion.

Don't let people thinking you're a "crazy food person" deter you from sticking to LCHF. You've already seen some of the benefits, and there are loads of people around here who can provide you with anecdotal evidence that it works.

All of my numbers -- blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol -- have improved dramatically after nine solid months of LCHF. I'm taking about 1/4 of the meds I was taking at the beginning of the year, and have lost 60 pounds. Blood sugar improved immediately, but it took three or four months to see improvement in my blood pressure, and six months to see improvement in the cholesterol. We're all different, but don't get discouraged if you don't see all the numbers you want to see right away.

I don't recall where I read this, but I have settled on about 75% of my calories each day coming from fat. This is a ratio that keeps my blood sugar low and keeps me feeling full. It was difficult at first to reach this ratio, since all I've heard for the past two decades is how bad eating fat is for me, but I eventually embraced fat. (It still grosses my wife out, but she can't argue with the results.)

Regarding staying under 60 carbs a day and "banking" them for dinner ... you'll have to make that decision yourself, based on how your blood sugar reacts to that behavior. I will say that, for me, when I am below my target for the day, I see it as an opportunity to have an extra-low carb day, not as an opportunity to eat something I wouldn't have otherwise. Lower carbs for the day typically results in lower blood sugar numbers and *that* -- not seeing what I can get away with -- is my goal.

Stay with it. The results are worth it!

Shanny, auto, Patdart and 3 others like this.
Gregory100 is offline  
 
Old 10-13-2014, 01:59   #4
Senior Member
 
walkerwally1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: United States, California
Posts: 3,831

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 1993

5377 likes received
4508 likes given
Default

If you want to see some really good information on how and why LCHF works go the link Shanny posted for the presentations at :
More straight talk from Franziska Spritzler
All 12 presentations are from experts on lc diets and the information is worth the investment in time.

Shanny likes this.
__________________

View walkerwally1's full Diabetes Forum profile here.

The biggest lie I tell myself is "I don't need to write that down. I'll remember it"
walkerwally1 is offline  
Old 10-13-2014, 02:14   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 24,394

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2009

23930 likes received
32255 likes given
Default

This link should include all the speakers at the Melbourne seminar:

I had taken the first one from Franziska's Facebook page & didn't realize there was all the other wonderful discussion!





Last edited by Shanny; 10-13-2014 at 02:17.
Shanny is offline  
Old 10-13-2014, 02:38   #6
Senior Member
 
walkerwally1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: United States, California
Posts: 3,831

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 1993

5377 likes received
4508 likes given
Default

This is the link I had. It has all of the presentations on the right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6W...UpuwO7TLslIGpJ

daisynyc likes this.
__________________

View walkerwally1's full Diabetes Forum profile here.

The biggest lie I tell myself is "I don't need to write that down. I'll remember it"
walkerwally1 is offline  
Old 10-13-2014, 02:54   #7
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: California, USA
Posts: 563

Member Type
Type Pre
Diagnosed in 1999

891 likes received
72 likes given
Default

There are two books that you will find enlightening about LCHF: Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, and The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz. These books will answer many of your questions about the safety of high fat in the diet. There are just beginning to be published studies on the long term safety of High fat diets with limited carbs, unless you care to count the whole of human history before the last few hundred years.

I also found this video very helpful--more about cholesterol than sugar, but touches on the subject very well:
How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic - YouTube

Janknitz is offline  
Old 10-13-2014, 08:12   #8
skb
Diabetic
 
skb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Mumbai, INDIA
Posts: 2,680

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2007

4080 likes received
2435 likes given
Default

Maybe this is what you are looking for

Nutrition & Metabolism | Full text | Effects of a low-carbohydrate diet on glycemic control in outpatients with severe type 2 diabetes

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/36

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/9

http://www.nmsociety.org/docs/Resear...Lipids2009.pdf

You will find several other studies on the site. There are several websites which will give you relevant studies.

walkerwally1 and daisynyc like this.
__________________
A1c ~ 5.4
Follow LC/HF diet since Aug 2010
Control only with diet/exercise. No meds.

Blog - Metabolically Challenged

Last edited by skb; 10-13-2014 at 08:20.
skb is offline  
Old 10-13-2014, 15:42   #9
Senior Member
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: South Jordan Utah USA
Posts: 356

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2014

776 likes received
57 likes given
Default

Awesome information, I appreciate answering my noobie questions..

Sojodave is offline  
Old 10-14-2014, 18:42   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Posts: 801

Member Type
Type 2
Diagnosed in 2013

1172 likes received
358 likes given
Default

Not-so-noob questions, after all. I, too, armed myself well when telling my doc what I was doing, and supplied her with reference links.

As for your 60g/day limit, here are somethings to consider: What does 40g carb at a meal do you you? How are your numbers? (For me, I need to keep it about 15-20 for my numbers to maintain their "happy place". Be CERTAIN also about what kinds of carbs they are, and how you react to them. For instance, fruit is a quick spike for me, while grains and starches and be long and slow.

WARNING about your next labs, you want to be prepared! While you are making this transiton, especially while you are losing weight, your cholesterol numbers may cause your doc to freak. You don't mention when your next labs are, so it might impact them. You may need to insist on a VAP test to rule out the need for statins.

Oh, and for your "how much fat" question? Research your desired ketogenic nutritional ratio. To maintain about 80% fat, I eat about 40g carb/55g protein/120g fat a day. And completely ignore calories.

Patdart, gotsomeold and Sojodave like this.
__________________
Never anger a Dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with brie.

Stats:
Dx 10/2013 : 12/2013 : 4/2014 : 10/2014 :5/2015
A1c 8.0 : 5.6 : 5.5 : 5.5 : 5.5
FBG 180 : 97 : 109 : 97
TCh 196 : 146 : 208 : 211
Tri 220 : 107 : 108 : 96
HDL 48 : 47 : 58 : 61
LDL 104 : 78 : 128 : 130
LDL Pattern A!

LCHF and striving for ketosis since Feb 2014.
Next testing due 11/2015.

Dosing with:
2000mg Metformin
Daily mulitvitamin
Daily antihistamine
Nightly magnesium
jademuffin is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Questions, questions, question! JoeBu Diabetes 10 02-07-2014 13:44
New Member with Questions, Questions and Questions jrney2 New Member Introductions 4 08-13-2013 03:31
Going to make the plung to LCHF but have some questions Djstorm100 Diabetes Diet and Nutrition 18 05-03-2013 20:40
Questions about LCHF twoputtpar Diabetes Forum Lounge 5 01-23-2013 22:49
New here and have may questions! adrenaline New Member Introductions 10 04-07-2011 02:56

LEGAL NOTICE
By using this Website, you agree to abide by our Terms and Conditions (the "Terms"). This notice does not replace our Terms, which you must read in full as they contain important information. You must not post any defamatory, unlawful or undesirable content, or any content copied from a third party, on the Website. You must not copy material from the Website except in accordance with the Terms. This Website gives users an opportunity to share information only and is not intended to contain any advice which you should rely upon. It does not replace the need to take professional or other advice. We have no liability to you or any other person in respect of any content on this Website.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 23:21.




Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.