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Old 07-02-2011, 22:19   #31
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This really scares me, and I need to get around to preparing hospital instructions in advance and get them into the hands of loved ones in case of an emergency.

Until I read Dr. Bernstein's sample letter, I wouldn't have thought to be attentive to the fact routine IV solutions can contain fructose, glucose, etc
They put me on a glucose drip when I went in to have my son. I know - this is kind of off topic. I had taken my medication that morning and then we decided to do a c-section so I hadn't eaten, and COULDN'T eat b/c of the surgery, so they had to do that or I'd crash. Then after I had him I remained on the same dose of meds, they took our my IV and I ended up spending all day cramming candy and crackers down my throat while I was in the 40-50 range. I called the nurse in once b/c I didn't have anything in my room that was quick sugar and she brought me ONE juice, then never came back to check on me. I had told her I was at 47 and I could have passed out cold on the floor with my baby! Thankfully my husband was on his way and brought me a bag full of junk food, but I still had to eat every 30 minutes or else I'd start dropping again. Needless to say, we changed the dose the next day.

As far as food went, I was given a menu and allowed to order whatever I wanted - so it was easy to get a decent healthy meal - omelet for breakfast, salads for lunches, etc. I think they only do this in maternity wards though.

I absolutely would not want to be hospitalized and made to eat the garbage they pass off as diabetic meals. When I had my gallbladder out, they said i had to be on a low-fat diet...the breakfast they brought me the next day was scrambled eggs, sausage, biscuit w/ gravy, and coffee! Nothing low-fat about that. LOL

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I misunderstood your comment about your HMO's orders. I was in the hospital overnight last week and specified a low carb diet and could only eat bits of the food they served me. Luckily it was only three meals and I had taken several string cheeses, but a lengthy stay would require a friend to sneak in food for me for sure. I'm not officially diagnosed, but I did tell my doctor that I couldn't take glucose if the event came along where I needed IV fluids.
Every hospital meal included a bread or starch, plus fruit, plus sugar-free rice or tapioca pudding. Graham crackers and pudding for bedtime snack. Veggies and a dot of protein, no fat. I asked if this was the diabetic diet (intuition sluggishly wafting to the fore). They said it was, and offered no alternative choices. Being stone ignorant, I didn't press.

But I did get only insulin and saline drips, since I was there for diabetes.

They still urge me to eat what I cannot, and I continue to eat against medical advice.

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Look I have to agree with you guys that you don't always get looked after as you would expect by medical professionals... but it still comes down to personal decisions you make. I also can relate to the hospital menu thing as for me I eat wholegrain carbs and I don't eat vegetable carbs... the hospital serves me brown bread or potatoes which I don't usually eat either of those things. When it comes to docs... you probably won't find many with diabetes themselves or any other disease you may have for that matter. But docs are professionals that we pay for and I guess if we really don't trust or like them... we go and find another doc. It's so important to trust your medical team... if the trust isn't there then how do you work together? I have to say that I don't always agree with everything everyone says no matter who they are... but I do know I have to listen and it's my choice as to what I personally take on board or not. I really appreciate my medical team and what they do for me.... it's not a perfect science it seems and they have been through a bit with me already and they're still trying to figure me out... but I'm a 'patient'... and I think that requires my patience to go with that title at times too.

 
 
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Personal choice is all well and good but how many folks simply rely on their health professional advice without question? Or on the word of an "expert" like Hope W? Where are we supposed to get informed so we can take this personal responsibility? We may know better here on this forum but why does it seem to be struggle to find this knowledge in the first place and why do we then have to fight with our health care providers when we take personal responsibility?

I'm getting a little frustrated with hearing "it's all about personal choice" and "no single diet works for everyone"... when is somebody going to break that news to our health professionals?

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I guess I'm a perfect example as I've never heard of Hope or Dr Bernstein before you guys mentioned them. I managed just fine finding out what works for me... but then I've never been a follower of diet plans or certain people either. I guess for those followers... they choose to do that. I find people usually keep searching when they realise things aren't working anyhow... that's where this forum comes into it for some people. I really believe in the saying that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.... that's why I'm saying it is a personal choice still. I have a good doc who supports what I do and he doesn't tell me to eat more carbs or anything like that. I think docs do have your best interest at heart too, more so I think when you're a regular patient.... as they're looking for results.

 
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Totally agree that EVERYTHING comes down to my choice, my responsibility. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Hence, the professionals whom I must trust should guide my choices -- not impede my exercising that responsibility through misinformation and bad advice.

But as far as changing docs ... I don't know how it is in any other nation, or with everybody's setup here in the U.S. But not all of us have any meaningful choices we can make.

I'm with an HMO in the U.S., also known as "managed care." My insurance comes through my workplace. I cannot afford private insurance. Approximately 120% of my complaints are not directed at my medical team. One and all, they're Good People, and I treasure that.

But some of the standards they're required to follow can best be described as Bad Medicine and Worse Science. Changing to another doc within that HMO would change nothing for me.

And I'm one of the luckiest ones! Folks who must rely on publicly-funded care, or have no insurance at all, are far worse off.

I see this as a public health issue, and one of decidedly non-trivial proportions.

Our new Health Care policy will not be fully implemented 'til 2017 or thereabouts, if ever. There are moves to preemptively abolish it, and take away our existing protections as well. Whatever happens, I fear all of our choices will narrow considerably.

From what I read, the U.S. is not alone in its prevalent atmosphere of backwards diagnosis and treatment of diabetes.

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i am hearing this everywhere but it had my DH bg soaring sky high and the nurses would shoot him with huge amounts of insulin and then feed him that high carb crap again and when his bg was 435 one nurse said "that is just the way diabetics are" . Another nurse said "people would rather eat what they want and then treat it with meds".
I am convinced that this new philosophy is to kill people off earlier when they have infirmities like diabetes. It will prevent people from being in the nursing homes as long because they will die of diabetic complications, sooner.
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My poor brain damaged husband couldn't make a wise decision and had to rely on the "medical professionals" in the rehab nursing home. I knew that if he was to get well I must fight for good diet and insulin management. I'm not managing perfectly but I am giving it my best effort.
This new philosophy is being believed by the medical world and we will be at their mercy if we do not keep ourselves healthy by wise choices and research.
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Am closing this thread since it's 2 years old.

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