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Old 02-14-2016, 08:22   #1
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Cool Csiro

There must be something we need to discuss about the CSIRO diabetic diet, it cost a lot of money to research.

Also they were very brave headbutting the establishment and the powerful drug suppliers.

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It is basically a controlled low carb, non-saturated fats diet.

No real difference from any low carb healthy fat diet. Saturated fats have been absolved of causing heart disease so there is no need to remove them from the diet. The best way is to play with monounsaturated and saturated to find the level that suits you and your bloodwork. I get best results on 50/50 combo of fats and John on 40/60 (he eats more raw dairy).

Never eat bad fats, hydrogenated or the much hyped polyunsaturated margarine abortions.

Csiro did not do the research by themselves, just designed yet another LCHF diet for people to choose from. The program is based on the findings from a $1.3 million National Health and Medical Research Council (NH&MRC) funded study. A problem for me is Professor Thompson at Adelaide University also works for Csiro who sell the diet plan.

Tay J, Luscombe-Marsh N, Thompson CH, Noakes M, Buckley JD, Wittert GA, Yancy WS Jr, Brinkworth GD. Long-term consumption of a low carbohydrate, low saturated fat diet improves type 2 diabetes management: A randomised trial. Am J Clin Nutr (accepted 26.6.15)
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Ok I went off to find the original study link for people to read in full.

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It is basically a controlled low carb, non-saturated fats diet.

No real difference from any low carb healthy fat diet. Saturated fats have been absolved of causing heart disease so there is no need to remove them from the diet. The best way is to play with monounsaturated and saturated to find the level that suits you and your bloodwork. I get best results on 50/50 combo of fats and John on 40/60 (he eats more raw dairy).

Never eat bad fats, hydrogenated or the much hyped polyunsaturated margarine abortions.

Csiro did not do the research themselves, just designed yet another LCHF diet for people to choose from.
Thanks @Judy-in-France The CSIRO spent a lot of money and used appropriate experts, you should check it out.

Re fats I am scheduled for my pacemaker review (second year review) on the 25th Feb and I am not so blaze about fats. My Heart specialists are adamant no processed meat and not much cheese.

They used a local to cut a pocket for my pacemaker and fed the wires up arteries to my heart stopped my heart then screwed them in. Then paddled me back to life. They gave me a soporific drug while they did it.

It is difficult to be blaze about fats after that experience, maybe you should watch a video to see if you should err on the conservative side re fats.

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I believe I answered you first part on the expert when I edited the post earlier. There is no difference between this diet and a normal well balanced LCHF one.

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The correct term is 'blasé', Mr. Griffin, and you need to learn that dietary fats have very little effect on our serum cholesterol. Our own livers manufacture upwards of 85% of the cholesterol in our bloodstream, so our meals really don't figure into it that much.

We know about pacemakers too - you aren't the only one here who has one. And pacemakers are implanted to treat arrhythmia - not high cholesterol.




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The correct term is 'blasé', Mr. Griffin, and you need to learn that dietary fats have very little effect on our serum cholesterol. Our own livers manufacture upwards of 85% of the cholesterol in our bloodstream, so our meals really don't figure into it that much.

We know about pacemakers too - you aren't the only one here who has one. And pacemakers are implanted to treat arrhythmia - not high cholesterol.
Thanks Shanny,
You may be a mod but that is no reason to be rude about the health of others and one spelling mistake does not make me an internet criminal ( I guess, as the spelling police, you have never made a spelling mistake.)

For your information (not that it is any of your business) before they decided I needed a pacemaker they did a plethora of tests pretty much, I believe, everything heart related that is available plus home monitoring.

And I had all those done twice once via a private practice and then a second time in the public system when I found out my insurance did not cover the cost of heart surgery in private hospital.

I can assure you that when a serious heart problem is suspected all things heart related are checked not just "does he need a pacemaker". There were other options other than a pacemaker too and there are 1 2 and 3 wire pacemakers that I was advised about. One option is always trying to reset hearts by stopping and starting my heart but the experience of both camps was that it was probably a waste of resources and an unnecessary danger to the patient - me.

During one lot of tests I could watch my own heart and blood flow on the monitor. Data was also being produced related to heart function and blood flow, at least, and I did not want to distract them and ask too many questions.

The big issues re stroke were addressed and explained and they are related to clotting via pooling due to poor blood flow areas, the clot can then move through to my brain causing stroke

The build up of plaque, they explained, was a dual problem re stroke. One problem is of course the capillary gets smaller and slows the flow so blood in cavities can become laminar flow instead of turbulent flow leaving thereby it does not keep moving and hence clotting can occur.

The other problem with plaque is pieces of plaque can break off then lodge somewhere stopping proper blood flow to my brain and other places where it is needed

We all, of course, have some build up of plaque over the years.

Cholesterol is not a measure of plaque it is just an inferential indicator.

But I am sure you know all that.

My condition is such that I have to be careful my plaque level does not build too fast because it is close to high risk level now.

I was interviewed about my family health history and my lifestyle and health history by both the private and public health professionals and it was very thorough. Much more thorough than I expected.

(unlike the throw-away health advice in here. They do tests and ask questions relevant to the patient and the way they came to their current condition and then compare that with their data bank of patient information before deciding on a course of action)

One question I was asked still puzzles me, I should have asked about it at the time but I was too busy trying to provide the most factual answers to the questions they asked.

The question was, "Do you sleep with your hands above your head."

Amateurs quoting "medical facts" leave me a bit cold because there is a enough differences between professionals to be sorted out, without confusion by well meaning amateurs with a sample size of one (them) and some hearsay off the net.

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Since regardless of your wish to discuss Csiro you keep returning this thread to your own heart condition, it is now closed.

Under forum rules members may not admit to being professionals even if they are.

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