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Old 02-07-2012, 13:25   #1
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Hi everyone..
how much interval should be there on each meal ? i take small amounts of food in every 2 hour. starting from the morning 7 am to 8 pm in the night with dinner.

pls suggest if i can take protein and fat foods as much as i like i mean i love egg,meat,chicken,fish,bacon,cheese,butter etc which are listed in most of the threads for lchf food, now i want to know how much of those foods can i take at a time. how much callorie can a people with diabetes can eat at a time if he/she is eating protein and fat .

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I usually do 3 meals and 2 or 3 snacks per day. I never leave more than 4 hours between meals. At each meal the main part is usually fat and protein with a little carb with lots of fiber. So I might eat 25 grams of fat, 15-20 grams of protein and 10 or under grams of carbs. I try to have between 7-10 grams of fiber at my main meals and 5 for snacks.

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I eat a hearty breakfast consisting of 0 - 6 grams of carbs and with a calorie ratio or approximately C:5;P:15;F:80. It is usually about 800 - 1000 calories. I would almost never eat anything for at least 6 hours usually more like 8 and I'm not "hungry" as in "I want to eat now" for at least 10. Sometimes I eat a small lunch but more often just some mixed nuts and espresso with cream. A typical dinner is a fatty cut of meat, some high-fat cheese and green vegetables with lots of butter.

My philosophy has always been that you should let your body be completely finished what you have eaten before afflicting it with more. Actually, my grandmother taught me that when I was about 4. Now, on LC/HF it is more true than ever. I think frequent eating is a bad habit made worse and more common from decades of HC/LF eating and one we need to break. I don't think it is healthy at all. YMMV.

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If you are using 40 U basal and 30 U fast acting then it doesn't make much difference because you have nulled out your metabolism in favor of external control.

However if you are still using your bodies metabolism then you must contend with your accelerator (insulin) verses your retardant/extinguisher (C-peptide). Your insulin has a short half life but under normal conditions C-peptide has a reported half life of 30 minutes. But if you have insulin resistance caused by failing kidneys then the C-peptide is not filtered out like it should be, which results in an ever increasing level of insulin resistance if you eat close spaced carbohydrate meals. Therefore I choose to eat carbohydrate meals at at least 4 hour intervals and if I am hungry before 4 hours I just chew 1 tbs of butter.

Many T2D's have a kidney filtration rate (GFR) of only 60% which amounts to about double the circulating c-peptide which then requires about double the amount of insulin to function. Unfortunately having twice the insulin and twice the c-peptide in circulation causes a stress/inflammation response raising the cortisol level which further suppresses your insulin response. This inflammation also rapidly destroys vulnerable dynamic things like Omega-3 FA which reduces your insulin sensitivity. To make a long story short, you lose!

Most people just give up and use a maximum dose of Metformin to mimic the missing Omega-3 FA and inject twice the normal basal insulin to suppress the bodies insulin thereby suppressing the c-peptide(which is part of the pro-insulin the beta cell produce). Then they use fast acting insulin to control their blood sugar level. For a male this usually comes out to maybe 40 U of basal insulin and 30 U or so of fast acting insulin. This can work fairly well for 20 years or so. But Met usually only gives you a carb to insulin ration of 4 to 6 and your metabolism requires on the order of 9 to 12 carbs to insulin to be anywhere near stable, so they are usually fighting wide swings in their blood sugar levels.

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I eat a hearty breakfast consisting of 0 - 6 grams of carbs and with a calorie ratio or approximately C:5;P:15;F:80. It is usually about 800 - 1000 calories. I would almost never eat anything for at least 6 hours usually more like 8 and I'm not "hungry" as in "I want to eat now" for at least 10. Sometimes I eat a small lunch but more often just some mixed nuts and espresso with cream. A typical dinner is a fatty cut of meat, some high-fat cheese and green vegetables with lots of butter.

My philosophy has always been that you should let your body be completely finished what you have eaten before afflicting it with more. Actually, my grandmother taught me that when I was about 4. Now, on LC/HF it is more true than ever. I think frequent eating is a bad habit made worse and more common from decades of HC/LF eating and one we need to break. I don't think it is healthy at all. YMMV.
I agree with you smorgan. I believe our bodies were created with an internal ability to tell us when we should eat. I do not eat unless I am physically hungry. When eating lc/hf, that is not very often. My weekday and weekend habits differ. During the week, I have a very small no carb breakfast or just a large coffee with cream at a very early hour. I am hungry for lunch around 11:30. I eat a small salad with lots of yummy fat-full stuff on it or a small amount of left-overs. Most nights I am beginning to get hungry for dinner which is small as well. Some nights I never do get hungry and only have a snack of cheese and nuts.
On the weekend, I sleep in. I eat a late breakfast of fried eggs and then I do not eat again until dinner. We usually fix nice dinners on the weekend.

Others have very different views - like you should continually be putting small amounts of 'fuel' in your body. I say.........to each his own.

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how much calorie should we eat for like break fast , lunch, snacks and dinner.

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In my opinion, calories don't count , but carbs do. If you want to lose weight, eat less than 20-30 per day, but if you want to stay the same, slowly lower them to see where your weight and BG pleases you. You will be happy where this plan leaves you.




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Like people have said, eat only when you are hungry. I find that I get to my baseline levels in about 4 hours, 6 hrs is even better. So BF is usually at 7.30 am, Lunch at 1.30 pm & Dinner at 7.30 pm. In between green tea, nuts & cheese as required. Like cooper, on sundays most rules don't apply

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In my opinion, calories don't count , but carbs do. If you want to lose weight, eat less than 20-30 per day, but if you want to stay the same, slowly lower them to see where your weight and BG pleases you. You will be happy where this plan leaves you.
Carbs AND protein. It can become very confusing if you leave this out.

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A poster above implied if you use insulin it "does not matter." Well it does for WEIGHT control!

I am a T1.5 and must use insulin to manage my blood sugar -- and I am sure there is insulin resistance involved -- or is it just crappy basal?

Anyhow my point is, you can use insulin and eating low carb, moderate protein to maintain. For me, eating low carb -- and despite being vegetarian I can manage <40g carb per day -- I still need to use insulin, AND I still need to eat low carb!

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