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Old 01-17-2017, 04:20   #1
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Hi, new member here. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes several years ago. I was put on 500 mg Metformin morning and evening. It seemed to work pretty well, my levels were in the low 100s (except for when I was bad and pigged out. Unfortunately, this past July, my sugar level suddenly zoomed up to the 300's. Nothing in my diet changed, I still ate the same things, and I had even started exercising.

So now I am on 1000 mg 2x a day and also on 20mg Glipizide 2x a day. My sugar level has gone down a bit, now in the low 200's dipping down into the high 100's.

I have gone through several nutrition classes and hate the diet they had. Choosing so much of this, and so much of that and a little of this drives me nuts.

What I need is a diet that says:
Breakfast
eat this, this and this, PERIOD!
Supper
eat this, this, and this, PERIOD!
etc.

When I have to choose what to eat, I get in trouble and go off the diet in frustration. Call me anal, but I like structure, and I like it when things are spelled out exactly, to the letter.

Another thing, since I cannot eat carbohydrates, what the heck do you do for sandwiches? Giving up bread is going to be a major struggle. Sigh

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I have gone through several nutrition classes and hate the diet they had. Choosing so much of this, and so much of that and a little of this drives me nuts.

What I need is a diet that says:
Breakfast
eat this, this and this, PERIOD!
Supper
eat this, this, and this, PERIOD!
etc.
You make me laugh Welcome to the forum.

I'm not sure you'll find a pre-determined diet that is just right for you (sorry!) because part of the game is learning what foods you can eat without big spikes and which you can't. And - how many carbs your body can tolerate in a day. Once you get a bit of handle on that, you can write up your own PERIOD! menu.

I brought my bg down by slashing carbs - that simple. And eating fat which was new for me, having been on a low-fat diet for decades. Not bringing anything into the house that wasn't okay to eat made sticking to it much easier. My always basics are: eggs, heavy cream, cheese, chicken thighs/legs, salmon, olives, vegetables.

As you cut carbs, be mindful of the glipizide and risk of going low. I started on that and metformin but dropped the glipizide as my body responded well to the carb slash.

As for bread, I stopped eating it. There are low-carb bread recipes to experiment with. I do get a good low-carb tortilla that has 3-6 carbs depending on the size.

Someone recently posted about a bread she likes - it has one carb - and she says perhaps they mail to the US. It's a commitment though of 10 loaves. On Netrition I saw some low-carb bagels and bread that I almost bought but didn't. Just be cautious about Joseph's brand because they have made claims that weren't accurate on carb count.

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You make me laugh Welcome to the forum.

I'm not sure you'll find a pre-determined diet that is just right for you (sorry!) because part of the game is learning what foods you can eat without big spikes and which you can't. And - how many carbs your body can tolerate in a day. Once you get a bit of handle on that, you can write up your own PERIOD! menu.

I brought my bg down by slashing carbs - that simple. And eating fat which was new for me, having been on a low-fat diet for decades. Not bringing anything into the house that wasn't okay to eat made sticking to it much easier. My always basics are: eggs, heavy cream, cheese, chicken thighs/legs, salmon, olives, vegetables.

As you cut carbs, be mindful of the glipizide and risk of going low. I started on that and metformin but dropped the glipizide as my body responded well to the carb slash.

As for bread, I stopped eating it. There are low-carb bread recipes to experiment with. I do get a good low-carb tortilla that has 3-6 carbs depending on the size.

Someone recently posted about a bread she likes - it has one carb - and she says perhaps they mail to the US. It's a commitment though of 10 loaves. On Netrition I saw some low-carb bagels and bread that I almost bought but didn't. Just be cautious about Joseph's brand because they have made claims that weren't accurate on carb count.
Julian Bakery "one carb bread" is fake, too. I think they thought they could get away with it by posting carbs as just digestible and THEN subtracting the fiber which wasn't in there to begin with. Many diabetics have confirmed by testing that it can't possibly be 1g carb. It tastes horrible anyway. It doesn't even change at all when you toast it!

I chose to just forget sandwiches. It hasn't bothered me for years.

My "foolproof" diet doesn't require any counting, just:
  1. Zero sugar
  2. Zero starch (at least the "visible" white foods kind)
  3. Zero increase in the amount of protein I've always eaten
  4. Minimize PUFA (polyunsaturated fat) as much as possible
  5. Complete all needed energy from fat, nearly all SFA and MUFA

Very simple. Very effective. There's no mystery about where blood sugar come from and can become excessive since our regulatory mechanisms are compromised. It comes from sugar, starch and to a lesser extent protein if its more than you really need.

What's the "free food"? Fat.

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Hi Gomezaddams, welcome to the forum.

For sammiches I have used romaine lettuce leaves wrapped around the meat and cheese and mayo. Messy, well maybe a little, but finger licking good. You could wean your self off bread by using low carb soft tortillas, I did until they made my BG over the limit I set for myself. Most of the time now I just eat the sandwich meat by itself. You just have to make up your mind if you like your toes, eyes, kidneys, etc., better than that slice or two of wonder bread.

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I'll use the deli meat as the outer layer, putting the cheese, mayo, lettuce, etc. inside the folded "sandwich"

When I first started doing low-carb for diabetes, I followed the Atkins Induction diet. I printed off the food lists and it was just a matter of choosing an item or two from each list. That helped me a lot in learning portion size and what foods were low in carbs. Later, after learning how important fats are, I increased them and ended up with a satisfying way of eating, which is fairly simple to "wing it".

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I guess I do have a "sandwich" occasionally. I chop a very hot Thai pepper very fine, mix it thoroughly into cream cheese and then roll it up in smoked turkey meat. Does that qualify?

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I guess I am the oddball out... I am an all or nothing type of personality. I need to go whole hog in everything I do.

I don't do sandwiches. I take the bun off of hamburgers and I will have deli meat in my salads if I have them at all.

I do not eat carbs... well I guess I do but only those in vegetables that I eat or any natural food for the most part.

If I eat a little bread or a little carb because I can afford it for my daily intake I would end up eating too much because I am weak that way.

All or nothing. it makes life easier for me. Eggs in the morning with bacon, cheese, spinach, etc . Lunch is salad or a bunless burger or tuna or egg salad. Dinner is a protein of a fatty meat with some veggies.

thats just about it for the most part

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Thanks for the replies..

Is there an actual list of foods that are "safe" to eat. Every list I can find is very vague like the following:

"Fresh veggies, eaten raw or lightly steamed, roasted, or grilled
Plain frozen vegetables, lightly steamed"

OK so WHICH veggies? All of them? Some of them?

Anyway where can I get a list?

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Take a look at this website https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb and see if it narrows it down for you.

Carb counting is essential. One can't rely on someone else's "safe list" because what may cause my BG to rise may not cause yours to.

A typical low-carb way of eating is to keep carbohydrate consumption to less than 50 grams per DAY. Divide that between three meals and any snacks. You would need to look up the carb grams for the food and portions you are going to eat. If it goes above your set per-meal carb limit, then you'll want to cut back the carby foods before you eat.

Along with reducing carbs it is almost imperative that one tests what happens to their BG after they eat. If it raises BG above 140 at 1 hour (when the spike usually occurs), then either eliminate that food or reduce the portion.

Managing blood sugar and diet is a challenge at first what with all the measuring and testing, but it is worth the effort. Within a few weeks one has a personal list of safe foods.

As I mentioned above, the Atkins Induction diet has lists of foods appropriate for a low-carb way of eating, including exactly which vegetables are low-carb, giving the carb count with the portion size. Go to their website and print out the lists.

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I forgot to add in, I have seen something about using the meter to adjust diets. The problem with that is I get my testing supplies through the VA and they only send me enough strips to test 3x a week. Apparently the only way for me to test more than that is to be on insulin.

Anyway, I have looked at a bunch of different websites and each one says something different. One says I can eat anything as long as it is in moderation, another says don't eat fruit, another says fruit is OK. Some sites say some bread is OK, this site seems to say no bread.

It is so confusing...

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