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whats the difference between LCHF and Atkins Diet

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#1 ·
Seems the same thing to me or is there some difference?
 
#2 ·
If I remember right on the Atkins diet you only stay on the very low carb portion for a few weeks and then you gradually add carbs and fruits back into your diet. Also they don't fully believe in the high fat portion and recomend leaner meats for your protein. Atkins is a diet to lose weight , not keep blood sugar low. I have been low carbing for 5 years and every time I try to add carbs back in, bgs do go up.
 
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Atkins is a low-carb diet. Many people eat more protein on this diet than a diabetic can, but it's a good place to start if one is unfamiliar with low-carb. Their site gives menues and recipes, which can be a big help, espeically to those who haven't cooked much in the past.

I used Atkins Induction (30g carbs per day) to get back into low-carb. It was a motivation thing for me. Most people go on to Maintenance after losing weight, but as a diabetic, I won't be increasing the carbs.
 
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There seem to be three version of Atkins, too. The New Atkins is the most recent and they are not very high fat, and push portion control!

I had a VERY hard time with induction. I think it is a good place to start, but very discouraging!

See also: Paleo, Primal, Ketogenic Ratio .... all 3 are ways of lowering carb consumption, and I read of success with all of those, too.
 
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And i'm not lazy to Google i just thought you might have a good website to read it at, i don't know atm what they eat on the Paleo diets as i have not read enough about them, but i doubt that they are eating fruits like they stated in the above article (unlimited) i posted, who knows maybe they are but imo there is good sources to read about a certain diets and bad sources.
 
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I find paleo diet websites good places to find very low carb recipes.

Zko - society is over-run with diets and diet fads. Take what you want from them, and discard what you know won't be good or won't work for you. You will soon fashion a Zko-diet - the one that's most effective for YOU.
 
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zko - there are about as many takes on what makes a paleo diet and what makes a low carb diet.

folks on this forum are eating lchf to manage diabetes, which is going to be different than paleo for weigth loss, atkins for weight loss, or anyone else for weight loss.

weight loss might be a side effect of lchf for me right now, but its not the goal. the goal is good numbers.

at some point you are going to have to try things, then test with your meter, and see what that says.

every person is different. its why we say ymmv. your mileage may vary. what works for me may not work for you EXACTLY THE WAY I DO IT. you may hate cooking. i may be closer to more farmers markets. your meter readings are different.

at some point, you are going to need to transition from reading to DOING. and with diabetes, the sooner the DOING happens, the better.

i get from your posts that you are frustrated. we all were. heck alot of times i still am. the thing is the only way you'll get to the point that you know what works for you is to start DOING IT.

so - what was your fasting bs today? what is working for you? etc etc etc
 
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djax;82990 i am doing it...I think some might be getting me wrong just because i start threads about different diets or other subjects, don't mean i am actually doing it that way diets etc, i have been on a LCHF diet. and actually eating Fat 70% Protein 20% and Carbs 10% and i don't even aim for 10 % Carbs, in fact if i eat Zero Carbs for the day which is a bit hard to do with Carbs in veggies even Full Fat Creams even better i suppose.


So i can see why maybe people are thinking why is he posting Atkins diets on a diabetic forum, i can't see any harm after all it is a Diabetes Diet and Nutrition sections of the forum, anything related to food diet etc i thought was OK to post here, I don't start these threads in other sections of the forum. anyway as said i don't think there is any harm starting these threads but maybe i'm wrong won't be the first time lol. If i am i suppose the only way to find out is if i get told not to or if i get no replies to the threads i started.

If i am doing the wrong thing trust me i don't mean to be doing it and i will correct it by only sticking to what i should be posting.


Anyway re today's morning BS it was 6.2 which is higher then last weeks which was around 5.6 5.8 most of the mornings, but i had a big protein meal last night so maybe that's maybe why i been told, i'm not sure.

But today its been betwen 5.2 - 5.5 most of the day, so i will try to not have to much protein next time, but it was the first time i actually ever baked something lol yep really was, lamb shanks and when i took them out of the oven, all the fat was on the bottom of the pan and basically only left the proteins in them and with a bit of salad it was pretty much a high protein dinner.


But yep i'm not much of a cook but only been doing it for over 1 week now myself, and trying to learn how to cook is not as bad as i thought once lol
 
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I think most of us who do LC/HF combine a lot of different diets. We collect recipes from all sorts of LC, Gluten Free and Paleo sites. I combine Atkins, SouthBeach, Bernstein and Paleo and check everything with my meter.
 
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LCHF is everything from 0 to 150 gram of carbohydrates a day.
When I decided to do something for me and my BG a year ago, I started followong a diet a norwegian doctor, dr.Hexeberg, tells about. I did think seriously about Atkins, but decided dr. Hexeberg was the best way for me. I found it natural to aim for 50 - 70 carbohydrates each day.
During this year I have had to adjust my diet to manage my BG to be steady since I cant trust on when my insuline decides to kick in.
Now I eat 5 carbohydrates for each meal, but some good carbohydrates like leanse or bean can be a bit higher when eaten together with fat.
So today I dont follow ine specific diet; I just eat as I do because it allows me to manage my diabetes perfectly (for me)!
 
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I suggest lowering your insulin as much as possible. That will as a matter of course also put your glucose and very good and normal levels. It is the only one with real science behind it. It is called the Ketogenic Ratio (that one is pretty easy to Google). The higher the ketogenic ratio of your diet, the lower you insulin (and therefore your glucose) will be.

Just meet the reqjuirements of the Ratio, stay away from franken-foods and other than that you are free. Within the Ratio, eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want. You only need to maintain the macro-nutrient ratios by using the Ratio. What you eat is entirely up to you.
 
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#22 ·
Just try it. It will FEEL right!
 
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I just saw a commercial for Atkins on TV. The one thing they pushed was once you lost weight you could add those grains, fruits and carby veggies back in until you start gaining weight. I think since they got so much bad press over the years they are trying to make the low fat and higher carb people happy. As far as the Paleo diet what you need to think of is the food Hunters and Gathers would eat. They ate free range meat, berries in season and no grains. So any paleo diet that says grains are OK is not a paleo diet. Eat food in its most natural source and try to find grass fed, organic meat if possible.
 
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paleo - primal - who can keep track :D lol

i do read mark sisson tho - he's got some interesting info and some great recipes - must confess i LOVE his meatza (pizza with a meat crust) one piece and its ALL i can do :D lol before i could have eaten way more pizza crust and still been hungry later

marksdailyapple.com for folks who are interested
 
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I might as well mainline butter!
I basically do that some days. On the food list I maintain, I write down "buttered almonds," but what it really means is that I eat an almond, then picked up a pat of butter and chomp off half of it. Wash, rinse, repeat. :D
 
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So i can see why maybe people are thinking why is he posting Atkins diets on a diabetic forum, i can't see any harm after all it is a Diabetes Diet and Nutrition sections of the forum, anything related to food diet etc i thought was OK to post here, I don't start these threads in other sections of the forum. anyway as said i don't think there is any harm starting these threads but maybe i'm wrong won't be the first time lol. If i am i suppose the only way to find out is if i get told not to or if i get no replies to the threads i started.
Zeke? I think when you continue questioning like this, it sometimes feels to others like you want to be spoon-fed. If you're just being curious, that is fine, but keep in mind that others may be too busy to constantly research your questions, and indeed the responses you get MAY begin to decrease. I would have to say that several posts in this thread suggest that you back off and do your own research . . . I myself have had the same thought to stop responding to your threads.

So you don't think there's any harm in it, and technically there isn't, but I think you're taking advantage of members' good nature. We know how frustrating it is in the beginning when you're just learning what works, but we also recognize when we're being taken for a ride.
 
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Zeke? I think when you continue questioning like this, it sometimes feels to others like you want to be spoon-fed.

Is this not a forum where people ask questions and stars discussions?

For starters when i visit other diabetes forums they have like 2 or 3 new replies daily if that i have seen days when no replies at all, what is the point of a forum then but anyway i get your point.

keep in mind that others may be too busy to constantly research your questions, and indeed the responses you get MAY begin to decrease. I would have to say that several posts in this thread suggest that you back off and do your own research . . . I myself have had the same thought to stop responding to your threads.

I understand people are busy i never asked them to reply and if i am asking to many questions and people feel like i am, they don't have to reply to my threads.

So you don't think there's any harm in it, and technically there isn't, but I think you're taking advantage of members' good nature. We know how frustrating it is in the beginning when you're just learning what works, but we also recognize when we're being taken for a ride.
This is ridiculous i'm taking people for a ride serious? No problems i will post to a minimum from now.


Originally Posted by ZKo
And i'm not lazy to Google i just thought you might have a good website to read it at, i don't know atm what they eat on the Paleo diets as i have not read enough about them, but i doubt that they are eating fruits like they stated in the above article (unlimited) i posted, who knows maybe they are but imo there is good sources to read about a certain diets and bad sources.
This is where it sounds like you'd rather be spoon-fed . . . wanting someone else to check whether these sites are good or bad, so you don't have to go to the trouble. We learned what paleo consists of by doing the research ourselves, and it seems fair that you also do your own research and decide for yourself.

The interesting thing about all this is that you ARE surfing around to other sites, and you aren't bashful about posting things that you recognize won't be totally accepted by some members here. But then when someone protests, you insist you just thought it was interesting & want peoples' comments. This is the sort of monkeying around I mean when I say you're taking advantage of members' good natures. So please stop doing that. There. You've been told to stop it. You wanna wait until people stop responding to your posts? Whatever.

The problem i feel is some people are set in there ways and maybe they are eating a 100% right diet and don't want to here about any other which is fine, just because i bring up other diets ways etc don't mean i think they are good ways of eating but you never know maybe i one thing can be learned from another's way of eating dieting etc

Anyway i here you and i will limit the threads i start from now on but to be honest i rather visit a forum that gets more hits and discussion compared with another one that gets hardly any , but that's just me.


Anyway for those that think i have taken them for a ride by being lazy to research my self well i didn't think i was doing that but i can see how some might think i was.
 
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Mmmm.....butter.
I lean towards the paleo side of the LCHF fence, or I did. I'm still a little freaked by my new diagnosis, so fruit has been dropped until I'm a bit more confident. Also it's a little easier to munch on a Aitkins bar, when short of time at work, then a can of tuna, avocados etc. (although that should be fresh tuna).
Paleo recipes are like food porn to me also. I think when I was drooling over the recipes, I was converted then.
Every thing tastes better with lashings of fat! Plus truth is any form of LCHF diet is much more satisfying once you start. Personally paleo/primal tastes the best, I can't speak with authority about nutritional qualities.
 
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