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Old 04-30-2012, 15:53   #21
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Yesterday and today I have definitely had that bad taste in my mouth that signals having gone into ketosis. I'm wondering now if I've been hovering in and out of ketosis and that's why I've been struggling.

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Yesterday and today I have definitely had that bad taste in my mouth that signals having gone into ketosis. I'm wondering now if I've been hovering in and out of ketosis and that's why I've been struggling.
Is that bad taste normal for you or an overall indicator of ketosis?

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Yes, the difference in breath is normal for me - and for a lot of other people. I believe it's excess ketones being expelled through the lungs.

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Yes, the difference in breath is normal for me - and for a lot of other people. I believe it's excess ketones being expelled through the lungs.
Thanks. Since I know the stix aren't reliable to determine if one was in ketosis I was wondering if this would work.

Also could you describe the taste. Funny i know since this would probably be an individual thing but advice is good.

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David, why aren't the stix reliable? What have I missed?




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The stix cannot proove a negative, since one can be in ketosis but not have excess that is filtered out by the kidneys. It CAN, however, proove a positive.

So, if it shows any amount of ketones, you are definitely in ketosis. If it doesn't show ketones, you can't be sure either way.

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By comparison, today is going much better than yesterday. I think I went through a type of withdrawal.

It's noon now on day 2, and I feel much more "in balance" I am not obsessing about food. And when I had my second mini-meal this morning, I was late eating it and wasn't at all hungry, but ate anyway because I was going to be out and about.

I'm more optimistic now.

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Actually, I hate to do this, but I'll add my follow up experience. The fat fasting pushed me back onto Metformin, which I'd given up six months ago. Once I saw that yes indeed, I could keep by BG under 100 at all times by eating only 1000 calories a day, mainly fat, I sort of snapped. I can't live like that, and I hated that I started obsessing about whether it was okay to eat more spinach and broccoli.

All the weight came back within 2 weeks, my BGs started hitting in the 110s and 120s again, and I felt that it just wasn't worth it. I had to admit that I am not one of those people for whom a primarily fat-based diet is sustainable. So for now I'm back to my "normal" diet, which does keep me in ketosis, but which includes more vegetables. I also started taking 500 of Met to see if that will do anything, even though it's a tiny dose.

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Actually, I hate to do this, but I'll add my follow up experience. The fat fasting pushed me back onto Metformin, which I'd given up six months ago. Once I saw that yes indeed, I could keep by BG under 100 at all times by eating only 1000 calories a day, mainly fat, I sort of snapped. I can't live like that, and I hated that I started obsessing about whether it was okay to eat more spinach and broccoli.

All the weight came back within 2 weeks, my BGs started hitting in the 110s and 120s again, and I felt that it just wasn't worth it. I had to admit that I am not one of those people for whom a primarily fat-based diet is sustainable. So for now I'm back to my "normal" diet, which does keep me in ketosis, but which includes more vegetables. I also started taking 500 of Met to see if that will do anything, even though it's a tiny dose.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Abra. There's nothing wrong with taking Metformin (or insulin) if it keeps your blood sugar under control. It's too bad that you weren't able to lose weight with a more reasonable amount of food but your blood sugar is more important I think.

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Abra, that's really too bad about your experience. I'd snap, too, if I thought I'd have to live at 1,000 cal./day with it's restrictions.

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