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Old 12-05-2017, 17:41   #1
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Hello guys, I am trying to prevent myself from developing Diabetes so looking for more general diet tips please as the info on the net is so very conflicting so I would very much appreciate any help, thanks.

So as I normally do before posting for help on forums I search the net for info and as is norm I had to come across info which seems to me to be opposite of what I have come across on this forum so I would like clarification please:

How Many Carbs Should You Eat a Day? | Diabetic Living Online

In particular, this info below from that site?

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However, well-conducted research studies over one to two years havenít demonstrated that low-carb eating plans are better than eating plans with moderate or higher carbs. This is true whether a person has prediabetes or type 2 diabetes and wants to lose weight and/or to achieve control of blood sugar and cholesterol.

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Research does show that if you want to lose weight to hit your blood glucose targets and control or slow progression of your prediabetes or type 2, youíll need to eat fewer total calories. The emphasis should be on total calories consumed versus eating more or fewer carbs, protein, or fat
That approach does work, to some extent. For many, though, the deprivation and hunger that results from such a restricted diet is difficult to maintain.

The mainstream dietary advice is to eat very low fat, avoid red meat even to the extent of promoting no meat, and eat plenty of whole grains. This has been in place for decades. It is what I grew up with. If you look at the population as a whole, obesity and heart disease are real problems, and T2 diabetes is on the rise. This was a social experiment that failed. However, those in authority are reluctant to acknowledge the failure and continue to promote a high carbohydrate/low-fat way of eating.

There have been many studies that show the benefits of low-carb/high-fat. And thousands of people who have regained their health by following this way of eating.

And there is the testimony of the people here on this and other diabetes forums. I've been on LCHF for my diabetes for 7 years.

I would suggest that you read through the Blood Sugar 101 website. The author there does the research, and for everything she writes she cites her sources. You can trust what is written there.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb is a good place to learn about LCHF and what foods to eat, and what to avoid. Of course, any low-carb way of eating is going to have cheese and eggs - those of us who don't eat these things just don't make those recipes or find substitutes.

You don't have to go fully LCHF. But, as you mentioned, it would be beneficial to you to count carbs. It can be a real eye opener. Since you aren't testing your blood sugar, you won't have any immediate feedback. But, if you get an A1C test done every 3 months, that should give you a good general idea.

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Your answer, in large part, comes from the little bio at the end of that article (bold emphasis by me):
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Hope Warshaw, RD, CDE, is a contributing editor for Diabetic Living and the author of numerous books published by the American Diabetes Association
The ADA approach to managing diabetes incorporates a couple of interesting beliefs:
- Despite recognizing that diabetics' bodies cannot properly manage carbohydrates, the ADA recommends that diabetics eat as many carbs as people without diabetes -- and then rely on medications (and some lifestyle modification) to bring blood-glucose levels back down to "normal" levels. The daily carbs recommended in some of the illustrations in that article are more carbs than some of us low-carbers eat in a week.
- The ADA also believes that a blood-glucose reading of 180 mg/dl two hours after eating is acceptable even though recent scientific studies indicates that body damage occurs above 140 mg/dl.

Hope, the author, is just spouting the ADA line. Diabetes is $$$$ business, and beliefs like those suggest there's far more profit in selling medical care and pharmaceuticals that address high blood-glucose levels (and the long-term damage they can cause) -- much more money than there is in helping people understand that going ultra-low-carb makes a difference -- even if you do have to take diabetic meds or insulin. There's an old quote somewhere about how it's hard to make someone understand something when their livelihood depends on not understanding that something.

A bunch of people here (including me) will tell you far different stories about how low-carb eating has helped many of us avoid diabetes medication in the first place or minimize the amount of meds/insulin that we need if diet and exercise are not enough. We've got the medical results -- and sound recent scientific studies -- to prove it. We all need to be careful to understand where our advice is coming from.

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The mainstream dietary advice is to eat very low fat, avoid red meat even to the extent of promoting no meat, and eat plenty of whole grains.
Thanks for the help guys. Eating whole grains will be opposite of my Psoriasis diet and fats is also a no-no so this will be a struggle sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Tomorrow I will look again at the recommended food options for LCHF and get back to you guys here.

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Just getting off grains should be of great benefit to you.

I'm wondering if the advice to avoid fats comes from these decades of being taught that fats, especially animal saturated fats, are bad. Is there a compelling reason for not eating fats on the psoriasis diet?

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Not sure, my guess is more of following and trusting in Pagano's diet plan. I will try to compile a spreadsheet today or tomorrow comparing the different recommended diets to form a comparison between the main diets that address Diabetes, Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis.

Hopefully I can try to work with with whatever foods will be universally good for all 3. Meantime can anyone give me a general daily number of carbs limit for diabetes prevention please, just as a general guideline? I will also look into the 2 links you had given in post #2, thanks.


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Not sure, my guess is more of following and trusting in Pagano's diet plan. I will try to compile a spreadsheet today or tomorrow comparing the different recommended diets to form a comparison between the main diets that address Diabetes, Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis.

Hopefully I can try to work with with whatever foods will be universally good for all 3. Meantime can anyone give me a general daily number of carbs limit for diabetes prevention please, just as a general guideline? I will also look into the 2 links you had given in post #2, thanks.
ok, this is my opinion ONLY (for type 2)

not diabetic at all and dont want to get it - around 75g per day max
prediabetic - around 50g per day max
diabetic - under 30g per day max
diabetic and taking no medication - 20g per day

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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I think I saw 30 carbs for pre-diabetic yesterday in my research so 30-50 should work or in that case then 40 , thanks.

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I think I saw 30 carbs for pre-diabetic yesterday in my research so 30-50 should work or in that case then 40 , thanks.
that would work!!

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Thanks for the help guys. Eating whole grains will be opposite of my Psoriasis diet and fats is also a no-no so this will be a struggle sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Tomorrow I will look again at the recommended food options for LCHF and get back to you guys here.
I believe hftmrock mentioned his psoriasis went away after starting to low carb high fat. Have you given that any thought? Have you googled ketogenic diet and psoriasis? There may be some interesting research there.

I think many researchers who site what they call low carb studies, have a very different definition of low carb vs what we call low carb here. Those studies are usually really not that low carb, and the fats they include are man made or modified, polyunsaturated fatty acids, many of which are highly inflammatory to our bodies.

I certainly hope that your reference to 30-50 carbs was indeed in grams of carbs per day and not carb servings per day. A carb serving is 15 grams of carbs, so 30 carbs could be 450 grams per day.

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