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Old 10-06-2010, 13:30   #31
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You are missing the most important point. Low Glycaemic Index foods - not all carbs are the same. Oats and pasta are not the same as some other carbs.
wickhamster ... they are, for ME! YMMV ... but please test at 60, 90, 120, and 150 min after eating!

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wickhamster ... they are, for ME! YMMV ... but please test at 60, 90, 120, and 150 min after eating!
and me! pasta will send me through the roof.

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You are missing the most important point. Low Glycaemic Index foods - not all carbs are the same. Oats and pasta are not the same as some other carbs.
And you are missing the most important point that our meters tell us a very different truth. Whatever Neal Barnard has told you, it does not square with what many other diabetics have found to be true. Oats and pasta are notorious for raising blood sugar and if you've read your Shakespeare, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet", so call them low glycemic or any other term you like, but they elevate the levels of glucose in the bloodstream, either soon or later. The essence of controlling diabetes is to prevent that elevation from occurring.

PCRM may be a non-profit organization, and you have insisted that the information is free - that nobody is getting rich - but Neal Barnard is selling books, DVDs, and offering cooking classes, as well as promoting the usual vegan doctrine against meat. He has a political agenda and solicits donations. If you share his beliefs about the evils of using meat and meat products, then by all means follow his teaching, but please do not come here contradicting basic biochemistry.




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Granny, coming from the resident vegetarian, ex-Barnard/Orni****e,

THANK YOU.

If I had never measured, I'd never have known. I wish it worked, I really DO. I had to give up a lot of favorite foods (beans, oatmeal, pasta, bulgur ... ), but the truth of my meter was undeniable.

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Alright! Yes! Finally some responses that make sense.

Not being resident in your fair country, I don't get hit with the same hype that you do - I found the book in a bargain bin. And our diet is not quite the same as yours, I find more and more when I try using recipes from sites outside my own country.

I am really intrigued by what you are saying about GI - that it's not true? Is that what you are saying? I have read about Glycaemic Load which is a bit more useful.

But that breakfast bowl of oatmeal - mine is 1/3 cup rolled oats cooked with oat milk and cinnamon, and it serves me really well. If I eat pasta it's only a little ... so I haven't pushed the envelope at all.

As for trusting the machine ... I have had several machines, including one in Turkey, another in the UK, and another in Saudi Arabia - which the doctor told me must be reading wrong, he wouldn't believe my readings.

I think the one I have now is good ... I hope.

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Alright! Yes! Finally some responses that make sense.

Not being resident in your fair country, I don't get hit with the same hype that you do - I found the book in a bargain bin. And our diet is not quite the same as yours, I find more and more when I try using recipes from sites outside my own country.

I am really intrigued by what you are saying about GI - that it's not true? Is that what you are saying? I have read about Glycaemic Load which is a bit more useful.

But that breakfast bowl of oatmeal - mine is 1/3 cup rolled oats cooked with oat milk and cinnamon, and it serves me really well. If I eat pasta it's only a little ... so I haven't pushed the envelope at all.

As for trusting the machine ... I have had several machines, including one in Turkey, another in the UK, and another in Saudi Arabia - which the doctor told me must be reading wrong, he wouldn't believe my readings.

I think the one I have now is good ... I hope.
What I'm saying is that the GI/GL numbers are only estimates of how fast a given food will spike me. What is easier for me to calculate is the carbs content of a given food, which can be measured more accurately, and which I then test with a meter I have found to be trustworthy, and if it raises my blood sugar too much, I stop eating that food, regardless of what some food guru teaches. So what I'm saying is that GI/GL numbers are not particularly useful for me; I rely on a carb counter index.

And what is your good machine telling you? What are your numbers? What is you latest A1c? You've told us essentially nothing about yourself or your history with diabetes. We already know about Dr. Barnard - now we'd like to get acquainted with YOU.

You know, several members of our forum are residents of YOUR fair country, including our long-time moderator Anthill. We have a lot more in common than we have differences. Carbohydrate spikes all of us.




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My history with diabetes goes way back, starting with gestational diabetes which was noticed when I delivered an 11lb 6oz baby in 1983.

But the real cause of my diabetes is Haemachromatosis - or iron overload. So iron is something I tend to avoid in my diet. This was discovered around 2000, when I started regular venesection. Despite that my diabetes has slowly progressed.

All was fairly well under control until 2008 when I undertook an extremely stressful job in Saudi Arabia. I could barely sleep, and ate little, and yet my sugars started going crazy. The doctor couldn't understand how I could have fairly normal readings at bed-time and later, and yet wake up with a reading around 14. Hence the - throw away your meter response.

Returning to Oz I discovered that my poor ole liver was pumping out sugar in response to the intense stress, and I was persuaded to start on Insulin to get things back under control. Well, I had to travel at the same time, and did not have medical back up, and I was pumping 72 whatever they ares of insulin before things came back to normal - the doctor had said 'don't worry, it's just a number and you keep raising it until you find your number' - bleh.

So ... as, you can imagine, the weight bloomed. And Dr Barnard's diet was a breath of fresh air.

I love the diet - I'm not that keen on meat.

What I won't do is count. I won't count calories, or carbs, or whatever. That's why I prefer a diet that says don't eat the following things.

I don't think of myself as 'a diabetic', I don't see it as being part of who I am - and that doesn't mean I don't accept that I have it. I just refuse to let it take over my life or affect what I do. Very few people who know me actually know that I have it, I don't even mention it when I travel by air (which I do a lot). No one sees me testing myself or medicating.

So. No numbers. No counting. But faithful checking anyway. And I now only pump 44 whatever they are of Insulin instead of 72. Weight slowly falling, feeling much better, sleeping better.

Don't know if it's from the unmentionable doctor or not (don't really care).

This is who I am.

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Yes, I'm familiar with hemochromatosis and venesection. And I'm happy to know that you're feeling better and sleeping better.

Thank you for your story. Have you had an A1c lately? What are you faithfully checking if the program is "no numbers"? Are you going by GI/GL numbers or not?

And how unfortunate that your doc in Saudi didn't know about dawn phenomenon, and instead fostered a permanent distrust of all meters, the one thing diabetics, especially those using insulin, really need to know.

Thanks again for filling in a few of the blanks. As I said before, by all means follow Dr. Barnard if his program works this well for you, but don't come here and belittle the other proven programs which work just as well for others who need a more scientific approach.




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Just to share my experiences with the Dr Barnard diabetes diet which, simply, is low fat (not zero fat) vegan (not vegetarian), no calorie restriction diet. In 10 months I have gone from 260 pounds to 210 pounds (still 20 pounds overweight, but Iím 69 years old, so thatís good enough). Morning fasting whole blood glucose is 65. A1C is 5.8. I have eliminated Actos and Glipizide and half of my Metformin, down to 500mg of that. I have eliminated two of my three blood pressure medications, down to Lisinopril 40mg and my blood pressure is 120 over 50 and I get dizzy when I stand up sometimes so that medication may be lowered by my doctor soon. According to him, my HDL and LDL cholesterol and my trigycedrides are that of a new born baby. The downside of vegan is that there are so many nice things that canít be eaten, but on the upside, there are many that are great. Tonight I had vegan broccoli soup and cornbread (a half an egg in that so I do cheat a tiny bit). On the subject of cheating, as soon as I reached my target numbers, I now eat whatever I want when I eat out, but follow the regime religiously for routine meals at home. Finally, the clincher to me is that I am rarely hungry eating at home, but when Iím out, particularly when there is a plate of cheese and crackers for appetizers, I change in to a ravenous beast and eat far too much. But, the lack of hunger when Iím being good which is most of the time, is dramatic. I even have to remind myself to eat lunch sometimes.
Kudo's to you! I bet you will soon be off of your blood pressure meds, plus at the same time you will keep away heart disease, and clear out your arteries (unless you go out too much-that cheese can be addictive)
I put my father, who is diabetic, with heart disease, on Caldwell Esselstyn's diet which is quite similar, I believe, and he is doing quite well and all of his lipid #s have dropped without the need for meds which worry me due to their side effects. Have you seen the movie 'Eating'? It is one of the most amazing movies I have ever seen-such an eye opener. Check it out.
I, on the other hand have just officially crossed the border into diabetes land with an A1c of 6. : (
Four months of high stress, working 7 days a week every week without a break to keep my dad in this world, and compromising my raw food diet causing me to gain back 20 lbs, then driving in my car and being hit by another car entering my lane at an intersection and lots of pain for the past 6 weeks. Woe is me.
Back to 100% raw today. That seems to work well for me. I lost 60 lbs this way slowly over the course of 2 years, without really dieting and was freed from so many health issues including migraines, arthritis, reflux, insomnia, chronic cough, knee pain, skin tags simply disappeared.
Anyway nice to hear your results-we all have to find our own way and what works and feels best for us. Keep updating. The science is definitely there for your diet-it's all in the Eating movie. I was blown away by all of the research that backed up everything that movie had to say.

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