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Old 02-06-2011, 19:57   #71
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That's the pits, Sharon . . . looks like several of us are retooling our diet plans, and at least at my house, that is a colossal pain in the backside!




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Updating my "progress" (lack thereof): I am becoming disenchanted with this diet for controlling glucose levels. It worked fine for me as long as I continued losing weight. Once I managed to stop that, eating the exact same foods but more of them, my glucose levels started back up.

I now have a pantry and freezer full of vegan meals, could live on them for at least 2 months.
I should start off by saying that as misguided as I personally find veganism, I think it's really excellent that you're trying so hard to find the best way to control your BG levels and manage your diabetes. I could probably use that kind of fortitude in my own attempts to live a healthier life during these awful, depressing Wisconsin winters.

Even if I agreed with vegan principles, I really think I would be in a hellish situation trying to follow a vegan diabetic diet owing to the fact that my carbohydrate intolerance situation is so severe. That some diabetics can do veganism without apparently experiencing intense and awful carbohydrate cravings as a result, is why I think some diabetics are more prone to "CI" than others. This is consistent with the apparent fact that a small fraction of the general population can indeed thrive eating a vegan diet. But it is also apparent that the vegan diet very often turns out to be not all that it's cracked up to be for an awful lot of people.

While I am not a neo-primitivist, I do think the neo-primitivists make a good point about many things. One of those things is that we simply didn't evolve to subsist on a diet of starch, which I have to think is going to be the main source of caloric bulk for a vegan. The archeological evidence of unearthed skeletons from the early days of agriculture compared to their hunter-gatherer forbearers shows, after all, that there was a marked deterioration seen in the former. That's also why conditions such as diabetes and cancer are often referred to as "the diseases of civilization".

This is the main reason in a nutshell why I think that the results of vegan dieting prove disappointing for so many people. I often hear vegans say, "Well those people just didn't do it the right way." But I have to say, I can't help but be very dubious about a diet that requires so much calculating exactitude for even non-diabetics to be able to do properly.


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I just found the whole Barnard thing BORING!

It seems much easier for me to eat more fat, than less.

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I just found the whole Barnard thing BORING!

It seems much easier for me to eat more fat, than less.
I think you make a really good point here. A diabetic diet full of bland, unappetizing food is a lot more likely to result in the sort of unhealthy lapses that threaten proper BG control.

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I really appreciate these comments. Have many questions, but I'll start with this one, for Foxl.

Foxl, you wrote recently that you have not eaten meat in decades. What do you eat?

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Eggs, cheese, cream, nuts, fake meats ... which are for the most part fairly low carb. Coconut oil. It is quite do-able to not eat meat if you include eggs and dairy!

Vegetables ... including last night's cabbage soup debacle! Sheesh.

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I did the "Lifestyle of America" vegan program and did really well. Then I found out if I am susceptible to "kidney stones" to stay away from soy. I am mostly vegan but am really struggling with my #'s and hate being a # and never lose weight. I'm pretty sure one of the meds makes me bloated and fatter and the other one makes every thing hurt and maybe even caused a rash. it's a really hard battle. I think you're better of sticking with the vegan even on a stable maintenance program and just add more exercise! Good luck!

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I am trekking to the supermarket tomorrow, and in making out my grocery list, I realized I don't want meat in my grocery cart. It's hard to describe, for most meat eaters, how bad the meat cases smell to someone eating vegetarian. It also doesn't look so great, when you think about what you are really seeing.

As a lifelong consumer of animal products for food, I'll never throw rocks at people who make meat the centerpiece of their meals.

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Checochinican, I am WITH YOU!

I hope we can share some meal ideas ...

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I am trekking to the supermarket tomorrow, and in making out my grocery list, I realized I don't want meat in my grocery cart. It's hard to describe, for most meat eaters, how bad the meat cases smell to someone eating vegetarian. It also doesn't look so great, when you think about what you are really seeing.

As a lifelong consumer of animal products for food, I'll never throw rocks at people who make meat the centerpiece of their meals.
One thing I don't like about supermarket meat, beef especially, is that it all has such a strong corn under-taste from our meat-animals being fed corn their entire lives.

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