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Old 04-20-2019, 01:46   #31
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That study from the fiber metastudy says that the intervention group got one-on-one in person dietary advice and the other group got a pamphlet. What did each group really eat? At the annual visits are the ones having the counseling going to say anything but they were following the advice given.
I understand that you may be skeptical about this one study.

How about this peer-reviewed study on dietary fiber, covering 18 meta-analyses that included 298 studies? . This review concludes that dietary fiber intake is associated with lower risks of cardiovascular disease.

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My issue is that it would take second place to studies that show increased BG & insulin levels increase risks of CVD, CAD, etc. There are more than this one,

I don't have high circulating insulin levels and intend to keep it that way.

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Where does this information come from??

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I came across this article this morning that is relevant to the discussion. Personally I enjoy eating meat and sometimes that's all I have for dinner but then again other days I don;t have any meat - I guess I fall under that category of moderation.
Anyway - the athlete portrayed in this article - I'd never guess he was a vegan - obviously he found a good alternative for his protein sources

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I just finished reading the whole thread, I have a few random points that I'd like to throw out:

I believe that vegetarian can be healthy if it takes a "real food instead of processed food" approach to things.

I mostly eat LCHF, which means I won't touch high fiber foods like beans, and I won't touch fruit.

However, for the most part, I believe that beans and fruit were not the foods that made me obese and diabetic. I blame pasta, bread, and sugary processed foods.

Moreover, I believe that if my son were to adopt a mostly LCHF way of eating while avoiding things like sugar and flour - he is young enough and healthy enough, he might never need to avoid beans and fruit.

Most of this is just me speaking my opinion, I accept that everyone else has their own opinion and it is often based on personal experience so who am I to disagree with them. Instead, I'd rather just wish you best and thank you for being part of this forum.

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Whether it is Keto, ADA, or some other entity recommended food, what matters to me is what it is doing to my BG. My meter tells me that beans and fruit in general are not "safe" for me. But then, I believe the studies that show BG over 140 causes damage.

As far as fiber, you probably won't find this interesting.

Sugar free, no sugar added, safe for diabetics, healthy this, healthy that, all throw out a big beware flag to me.
It's great when they finally decide to control for things which make their original guess false. What nearly all of these "observational" studies fail to take into account is "NEWS", as well as the official advice, commonly held beliefs or myths, etc.

Example. We are bombarded constantly with the importance of dietary fiber. No one escapes. It is completely unproven, but ubiquitous, nonetheless. So, if you look at groups in the population according to how much fiber they eat (or CLAIM to eat, since most of them are "food survey" studies!), WHO do you think your are really looking at? Those eating more fiber (or CLAIMING to) are OBVIOUSLY those a) more concerned about their healthy and b) LISTENING to the "pop" advice about health.

Since pop medicine contains a variety of actually beneficial things in addition to the myths and nonsense (fiber, salt, dietary fiber, etc., etc.) such as more exercise, good sleep, etc., those same people will be doing some OTHER things along with the subject matter of the study, some of which may be beneficial.

Whenever any real scientist makes reasonable effort to separate the chaff in these studies, all those headlines on the Enquirer (as well as on the lips of your doctor) fall to pieces.

It's time for real science and to stop this headline-mongering.

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