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Old 04-20-2019, 03:08   #11
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Perhaps these "studies" are based more on what the person conducting the study likes to eat.

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If my BG goes to 300, does it really matter if it from a teaspoon of sugar or a bowl of beans?

Exactly. Well said.

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If my BG goes to 300, does it really matter if it from a teaspoon of sugar or a bowl of beans?



Exactly. Well said.

Please donít misunderstand. Iím not trying to question your personal approach to diabetes management. Rather, Iím saying that there are good, peer reviewed studies showing that beans can improve glycemic control - that there are good carbohydrates and bad carbohydrates.


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Please donít misunderstand. Iím not trying to question your personal approach to diabetes management. Rather, Iím saying that there are good, peer reviewed studies showing that beans can improve glycemic control - that there are good carbohydrates and bad carbohydrates.


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I don't think so. For diabetics, there are really bad carbohydrates and there are slightly less bad carbohydrates. NONE of them are good for us. However, gram for gram, those that result in glucose arriving more slowly into circulation can indeed by a little "less bad". But that comparison means little. Compare EITHER of those carbohydrates to the ABSENCE of carbohydrates (replaced by fats for sufficient energy), and it's an entirely different story.

Individual cases are not worth much. To assess ideas like "carbohydrates are killing us", one needs to look at GLOBAL changes and the trends that follow. We are in the middle of a phenomenal diabetes epidemic. Estimates of the increase of T2 since around 1970 range from THREE-FOLD to five fold. Such levels of increase in a chronic disease are almost unheard of in any human population, let alone virtually the entire world as in the current epidemic.

What happened? Well, if we look at diet, by far the largest changes concurrent with this catastrophe are:

1. We eat a lot more sugar and starch
2. We eat a lot less saturated fat
3. We eat a lot more polyunsaturated fat, mostly Omega-6
4. We eat NO more fat overall in absolute terms, LESS as a proportion of total consumption
5. We eat 10 - 20% more "calories"
6. We eat no more protein than we used to

The obvious suspects of this unprecedented epidemic are clearly the huge increase in glucose-producing foods, i.e., sugar and starch or "carbohydrates" and the large increase in PUFA as it was substituted for saturated fat.

With the number of glucose metabolism impaired people rapidly approaching 50%, it is quite clear that carbohydrates, i.e., this huge increase in their role in our diet (and/or the simultaneous increase in PUFA/decrease in saturated fat) is indeed "killing us".

Data is sometimes subtle. This is not in the least!

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A carbohydrate is a carbohydrate. There are no good or bad carbohydrates. There are simply carbs that are combined with fats and proteins in different configurations, which affect blood sugar differently.

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My personal approach is that I am carbohydrate intolerant. I live a ketogenic lifestyle since being diagnosed with T2 Diabetes. I control my diabetes through diet alone. I get checked periodically and I am in the best shape in a long time. My diabetes is controlled through diet and as long as I stay away from carbs, I will never have an issue with diabetes.

so to me.. a carb is a carb . I allow myself 20g of carbs per day.

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Blood Sugar 101 - VERY informative and accurate
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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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When it comes to studies, the truth is that I do what works for me.

Flat out, carbs were literally killing me. Keep in mind, when I was diagnosed with diabetes, my weight was in a normal range, and I was in the best shape of my life, walking 5-10 miles a day. I don't believe there was a method of eating that I didn't try. It wasn't until I learned to ignore all the advice I had been given and learned an LCHF/KETO lifestyle that I was able to get my diabetes under control.

My rule of thumb is if what you are doing is working, you should keep on doing it. If what you are doing isn't working, it is time to try something else. It comes down to one thing. Keeping your blood sugar under control.

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