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VeeJay 03-27-2019 20:52

Carbohydrates are killing us
 
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...bread-and-pas/

By Eric Thorn*- - Sunday, July 8, 2018
A good article you might like to read. The author is a cardiologist.

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For decades, doctors and nutritionists prescribed low-fat diets to people trying to lower their risk of heart disease. Saturated fats in meats and dairy products were thought to clog our arteries. Grains — especially “whole” ones — were thought to help everything from high cholesterol to digestion.
A growing body of research suggests this advice was wrong. For most people, it’s carbohydrates, not fats, that are the true cause of heart disease.
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For decades, our public health leaders have dispensed deadly dietary advice. That needs to change. Many doctors, myself included, have seen with our own eyes how low-carb diets help patients lose weight, reverse their diabetes and improve their cholesterol.
In the comments below the article was this one by the author with some links worth checking out.

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Hello, My name is Eric Thorn, and I am the author of this piece. I thought it would be helpful to provide some links to the research detailed in the op-ed.

1) Consider a report published last year in*TheLancet*that studied nutrition among more than 135,000 people across 18 different countries... Link:*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28864332

2) An*analysis*of more than a dozen studies published in the*British Journal of Nutrition...* Link:*https://www.cambridge.org/core/servi...led_trials.pdf

3) One*NIH study, which found little-to-no relationship between saturated fats and various health problems... Link:https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

itissteve 03-27-2019 22:32

The "fat is bad/carbs are good" idea has been around so long it has been institutionalized -- in decades of textbooks and innumerable Web sites and blogs; in "food pyramids"; in price supports for food producers; in the promotional material of dozens of food and drug companies; and in the minds of so many health care professionals it probably will take a generation or two of doctors and nurses to leave the field before the new ones quit reflexively offering such advice.

It's ironic how so many less-informed people will shrink back in horror as they watch us LCers and ketoers eat (and enjoy!) whole-fat products when they never said a word about our health when we were snarfing down bread by the loaf.

A lot of education needs to happen.

smorgan 03-28-2019 04:04

This quote from the first link above is worth posting:

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INTERPRETATION:
High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.

Runnerguy 04-19-2019 23:53

There's a bit of drama here, this "carbs are killing us" thing.

I've read the peer-reviewed studies cited in the above-listed meta-analyses. Although the differences in weight loss and disease risk factors between low-carb and higher-carb diets are statistically-significant, these differences are still small. And, those differences are inconsistent - sometimes the low-carb, high fat diet participants do a little better, and sometimes the higher-carb, low-fat diet participants do a little better. The author of the meta-analysis seems to have an axe to grind.

There are several peer-reviewed studies which show that legume (bean and lentil) consumption lowers cardiovascular and/or diabetes disease risk, even though legumes are carbohydrate rich:

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/87/1/162/4633234

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19939654/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28077199

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1384247



The quality of carbohydrate-rich foods matters. Beans and lentils are helpful. White bread and crackers are not:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5996878/
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mbuster 04-20-2019 00:52

Many studies citing that things are healthy for this or healthy for that, do not take into account the effects to diabetics. It may be a true statement that it is healthy for the heart for a non-diabetic but ignores the fact that when it raises BG and circulating insulin levels of a diabetic, the risks of coronary diseases are significantly raised. That is documented in peer reviewed studies about that subject.

If my BG goes to 300, does it really matter if it from a teaspoon of sugar or a bowl of beans?

Runnerguy 04-20-2019 01:09

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Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1318719)
Many studies citing that things are healthy for this or healthy for that, do not take into account the effects to diabetics. It may be a true statement that it is healthy for the heart for a non-diabetic but ignores the fact that when it raises BG and circulating insulin levels of a diabetic, the risks of coronary diseases are significantly raised. That is documented in peer reviewed studies about that subject.

If my BG goes to 300, does it really matter if it from a teaspoon of sugar or a bowl of beans?


Could you show links to peer-reviewed studies which find that beans/legumes are risky for diabetics? I don't mean to dismiss your personal experience - it's just that you and I have both seen unsubstantiated claims on forums like these.
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Runnerguy 04-20-2019 01:15

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Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1318719)
Many studies citing that things are healthy for this or healthy for that, do not take into account the effects to diabetics.

In this peer-reviewed study on legumes, all of the participants were diabetics. Legumes, as part of a low-GI diet, benefited the A1C levels of those diabetics: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1384247
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mbuster 04-20-2019 01:49

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Originally Posted by Runnerguy (Post 1318727)
In this peer-reviewed study on legumes, all of the participants were diabetics. Legumes, as part of a low-GI diet, benefited the A1C levels of those diabetics: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1384247
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This studies legumes vs wheat fiber??? My what a long list of Conflict of Interest disclosure.

Runnerguy 04-20-2019 01:56

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Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1318735)
This studies legumes vs wheat fiber???

Yes. Is wheat fiber consumption harmful to glycemic control?
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mbuster 04-20-2019 02:22

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Originally Posted by Runnerguy (Post 1318737)
Yes. Is wheat fiber consumption harmful to glycemic control?
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What does it do to your BG?

Just so you know, I eat beans and potatoes, only if I retrograde the starch in them. I also don't have a problem taking 40 grams of potato starch in a glass of water. I also eat some fruit, but very infrequently. I'm not anti-fiber, I'm just not going to ignore the BG raising effects of something that makes me more at risk to get the things it is alleged to offer benefits against. Kind of like I don't see the point of eating more carbs and just offset the effect with more meds. That involves more than just BG numbers ending up the same at the end of the day, the residual effects are not usually good in the end.


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