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Old 07-14-2019, 12:28   #11
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Vee Jay sounds we have the same issue.

I do Keto but I battle to get my head around taking even more fat (impact on galbladder, liver, other...?).

Then, I also battle with the principle
of having to drink electrolytes to maintain water and to not fall flat some days.
Is this normal? My wife, is highly aggetated with me for cutting carbs so abnormally low. She just doesn't buy it and I also doubt this at times.

So yes, guess this is part of my problem, I am not a die hard Keto man, though I buy into it largely. (But my carbs is still mostly less than say 40g a day).

Thanks for the discussion and your good points

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I do Keto but I battle to get my head around taking even more fat (impact on galbladder, liver, other...?).
I can tell you that one of the liver's function is to make bile which is essential for fat digestion. It's stored in the gallbladder and used as needed. When one doesn't eat much fat, the bile just sits in the gallbladder unused and after a time it can begin to produce crystals - i.e., stones. Of course, not everyone develops stones from a low-fat diet, but I certainly did. Now I don't have a gallbladder to give me enough bile to digest all the fats in a LCHF way of eating. I have to take bile supplements every time I eat a meal, but it works for me.

The idea that eating fats can cause fatty liver has been disproved. It is eating high carbs, of which the excess glucose in the blood is being converted to fat that is the culprit. There have been several members here who's fatty liver cleared up when they went LCHF (probably not as far as keto, though).

I know the idea of eating fat is counter-intuitive to most of us who grew up being taught that fats are bad. Everything we know about nutrition revolves around this theory. To now be told that fats are good takes some adjustments. And it takes some time to develop a taste for fats.

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Vee Jay thanks, yes I did see this and I can accept it as making sense.

I'm just still afraid too much daily fats may exhaust the said organs, tiring them out, (almost just like I presumably did with my pancreas beta cells from oberload of carbs,sugar for so many decades..).
Anything - the more you pound it, the more you exhaust it...in my view.

Eggs, avo, mac nutbutter are my life and I will continue with it, but I am very hesitant to also add lard, cream, oils. Sounds like just too much, right?

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There is certainly no need to force extremes if you're not comfortable with it. If you are able to maintain good BG levels with what you're doing, then that's good.

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There is certainly no need to force extremes if you're not comfortable with it.
And there is no need to “load up” on fats just to make up your day’s calories. If you’re not hungry after eating your carbohydrate and protein allowances, eat fats. They’re there largely to satiate you. That doesn’t mean you have to take in every last gram.

They also don’t have to be fats that make you feel uncomfortable. For example, if you know you’ll want more to eat, maybe you’ll add an egg yolk to what you’re eating. Or more avocado. It does not have to be “traditional” fats like butter or sour cream or the fat someone else trims off their piece of meat.

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Fair point thanks Steve, Vee Jay.

But note I was referring to adding extra fats to be in deep ketosis in order to have enough energy as I am flat some days. As we all agreed you cannot be 'inbetween' meaning 30g carbs and too little fat...

This is where I am saying I am hesitant to add extra fat..
So at the moment I add electrolytes to not feeling flat.

Thanks for this great blog

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I have had very good results with LCHF for about 2 years now. Lowering my A1C from 8.3 to 5.4, but recently I have had a discussion with a vegan who says she has been treating type 2 with vegan low fat and that it has reversed her insulin resistance. I find this very interesting, because even though my blood sugar is very good, I'm still as insulin resistant as I have ever been. If I eat a high carb meal my blood sugar will be high for hours. Can it possibly be true that the fat we are eating is actually keeping us insulin resistant? I find this hard to believe, but unless she, and others, are lying about there results, it's make me wonder.
Wonder if she follow the New Castle Study diet. 600-800 calories a day? In the study they drink One sachet of a liquid formula diet (~ 200 calories) three times per day and Three portions of non-starchy vegetables per day for 12 weeks. I guess it doesn't matter if it's low/high carb, as long as the calories are extremely low.

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I guess it doesn't matter if it's low/high carb, as long as the calories are extremely low.
As far as weight loss is concerned, that certainly is true. For managing blood glucose levels, though, in individuals with demonstrated metabolic issues, low carb will allow better insulin management since there won't be large carbohydrate spikes to manage.

And then there's the matter of being able to stick with an 800-calorie diet. One of the reasons the keto diet is so popular at the moment, for more than people with diabetes-related metabolic issues, is that protein and fat satisfy the body so much better than carbohydrates (even the non-starchy ones). People on higher-fat diets don't feel hungry every couple of hours because their BG went low, which spares them the body's insulin response during snacking.

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