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Old 05-18-2012, 16:36   #1
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Some lawmakers are asking for a 20% tax on foods that are bad for us.

Report: 'Fat Tax' Could Curb Nation's Obesity Problem - Staying Healthy News Story - WRTV Indianapolis


My only comment is who decides what foods are healthy. Things like butter, coconut oil, bacon and other fatty meats have helped me lower my bgs. So would they tax them. Some very thin people can drink sugared drinks and eat bread with no problem. While some people that are overweight may eat very healthy with tons of whole grains and fruits but their IR makes them retain fat. Why doesn't the govenment stay out of our refrigerator. When you think about it , it is that Food Pyramid that told people to stop eating fat and start eating more carbs everyday. See where that got most of us, in a Diabetes Forum.

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My only comment is who decides what foods are healthy.
The same people who ten years ago said downing tons of pasta was a great idea because it was low fat. Which are the same people who will be recommending something else ten years from now, some of which might be true and healthy, the rest of which will be random to unhealthy. People don't get that 'health' is an outcome specific to each person and their values. Some people can bear a few extra pounds and are otherwise perfectly healthy. Some people can eat pure sugar by the pound and not have issues. Or at least so it seems to me now that I'm more cognizant of it and avoiding it myself. Health, and all the trade offs and compromises we make to achieve it, is a different mix of trade offs and compromises for each one of us.

Now the wonderful part is the rule will by nature fail. Even if they get it right, say they first put a tax on trans fats, and even that's arguable because some fats technically qualify for the designation but could be healthy like CLA I believe. So let's say they specifically tax hydrogenated oils; the twinkie fats. It's pretty conclusive, in high amounts that stuff is bad for you, and a tax will raise the cost and thus reduce consumption... for those who never really cared about their twinkies to begin with and just ate them out of convenience, or in other words marginal twinkie consumers.

However here's the twist: the die hard twinkie fans will demonstrate what's called inelastic demand for these legislators, which is basically just a decreasing responsiveness to price fluctuations because the 'cost' that affects their demand/marginal judgements isn't monetary but psycho/social/behavioral factors. So they will bear the higher cost, much like drug addicts, because eatin the twinkies is still worth it to them. So the people who truly need 'help' really won't get it. Overall twinkie consumption will go down but in the group of people with a problem, you'll likely see twinkie consuption stay the same and perhaps even go up for various unforseen reasons.

So it will fail because the very people who it's aimed at behaviorally modifying aren't as responsive to monetary cost as the rest of the population. Their very health and lives are at stake because they inhale these things by the dozen and they still aren't changing their behaviors, they're not going to care about an extra bit of tax.

And then, as if that's not enough, the people who do ditch twinkies for cost are still people with behavioral and/or income issues who will seek out other food that is cheap and/or which satisfies whatis basically their addiction. Which in this case will likely be high calorie high sugar stuff that's also low fat, like Coke and Pepsi, sugary candy bars, etc. And they'll overeat with those and be fat and get type II diabetes to boot, which we'll all pay for in some way or another via increase healthcare/insurance costs.

But at least you'll have more traffic on these boards.

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I can see a "Black Market" developing for all these taxed foods. As long as they don't tax my CO.

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I can see a "Black Market" developing for all these taxed foods. As long as they don't tax my CO.
But they will. With CO being pure fat it, and butter and lard, will be some of the first hit.

But it's ok. Big pharma to the rescue with more drugs! Ugh!

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Congress isn't just about to get out of our refrigerators, any more than they're about to get out of our bedrooms. It's all about not backing down on the idiotic myths they've legislated all these years, as well as legislating THEIR personal morals on everyone else.




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Hoping not to offend anyone but this kind of crap ("fat tax") really pisses me off.

And the fat haters piss me off too.

How about we tax pregnancy as well since it is known to be a high risk undertaking for nearly any woman. And it too is a choice.

Sorry - just needed to rant.

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AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! That's it I'm moving to 1,000 acre farm where I can do whatever I want with my property, family and body. Who's with me?!

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I have 20+ acres to add to yours . . .




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AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! That's it I'm moving to 1,000 acre farm where I can do whatever I want with my property, family and body. Who's with me?!
I'm waiting on the lottery so I can get 10,000 acre ranch in Wyoming or Montana. If that doesn't happen soon, 1000 acres will do.

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Do that and they'll add you to a terrorist watch list and assume low carb diets are a ploy to leave room in your cabin for ammo instead of sugar.

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