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Old 07-23-2012, 19:59   #1
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Wife and I kept our 3yr old grandson again for a week, we just gave him and his sister back on Saturday. The odd thing is I think this boy has either hypoglycemia or diabetic, or beginning to be diabetic, I am not sure.

He pees all the time, drinks all the time, which can be normal for a 3yr old I know. But observing him 2 hrs after he eats his morning bagel he becomes a monster to say the least. He will for no reason walk up and grab his 7mnth old sister and choke her, hit her. Even that can be explained, what can't be explained is I can pin him to the wall at my eye level, which is for him about 4ft off the ground get my nose on his nose and tell him in the harshest voice I have not hit his sister. Set him down and he will run right over and kick her again, its extremely frustrating. Keep in mind this scenario is taking place 2hrs after he has eaten his bagel for breakfast. Give him something else to eat, and you all of a sudden have a completely different child on your hands.

The odd part is when he gets like this he doesn't want to eat, refuses to eat, throws everything on the floor he can get his hands on. Dinner time rolled around, he got in one of his Betty White moods again, started hitting his sister, his grand mother, and me. I picked him up and put in the chair, held him there told him he would not leave the chair until he ate something. Took about 15 minutes of him screaming, kicking, throwing his arms wildly around, telling me he would eat then throwing the food on the floor until he finally broke down and ate some pancakes with syrup. As soon as he started to eat you could see the expression on his face soften up. 15 minutes later he was the happiest kid on the block and he ate 6 pancakes and a piece of sausage. He has violent mood swings, hasn't gained a pound in 6 mnths, tiny little thing, lack of energy for his age. Hes 38" tall and can't weigh more than 30lbs at 3 yrs old.

Our son called last night asking us what he thinks they should do. I told him get him tested. Buy some glucose strips to see if he is dumping glucose. Buy a meter and test his BG level when Betty White make her appearance, or better yet take him to the doctor.

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My kid with ADHD (and he IS HYPER!) drinks all the time, then forgets to go and pee. I would definitely be testing your grandson!

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While severe mood swings are a symptom of AD disease, I don't remember extreme violence being one. Yes, throwing things and flailing about like a fish of water, fine. But physical harm, even after correcting?

Something ain't right.

Good advice for testing for sure.

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I think some testing is definitely in order, something is not right. That rage/violence is disturbing. What I don't understand is why the bagel would set it off and pancakes would calm him down.....both high in carbs. But I have no experience with AD or hypoglycemia.

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It makes sense to me. For the past years before DX, you did not want to be near me between 8 and 9am. 9 was a scheduled break time and when I got my carbs for the morning since I didn't eat breakfast. When I did, pop tarts and mt dew.

So the mood swings make sense to me. He's coming off his carb high, much like an addict, and is lashing out irrationally. Once his fix is in, he's normal and mellow.

Defiantly get him to a doc.

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I work with emotionally disturbed students. See this at school everyday. Students get free breakfast from the government. Poptarts, OJ, and milk. If we are going to have outbursts it will be mid morning right before lunch. Then again mid afternoon until dismissal. Those times are when they come down off their carb high. I've complained until I'm blue in the face to the powers that be. This is a government sponsored program. I'm talking to a brick wall

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With my 4 and 6 year old, they don't get much carbs by way of sugar. They do eat the typical cereal, pancakes, french toast... but they get them in reasonable amounts. I can say that my kids are not saints but they are pretty well mannered. That is until someone gives them an overdose of carbs. I can watch my 4 year old turn into a basket case. He doesn't get violent but he will just start running through the house like a mad man. He ate pancakes the other morning and immediately after was jumping from couch to couch non stop with a crazed look. I see this behavior every time they get to much carbs. I am a stickler with this now but my wife, not so much.

Also, my first born was the easiest baby ever. He was always happy and content. Didn't cry much. He is still that way today. Very loving and thoughtful. My second was colicky. Cried every night all night. Really tested my wife and I. He is still that way today. Gets crabby quite frequently. We are always on eggshells with him. He is unbelievably moody and has an attitude. He is not a bad kid but he is a much tougher case than my eldest. Funny thing is that I was always a laid back, easy going guy and my eldest looks just like me. My wife is a basket case who freaks out if she thinks she may be late or something. She cry's a lot and doesn't know why sometimes. Just very emotional. My youngest looks just like her and acts about the same. Quite interesting.

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When I used to teach many moons ago, I taught emotional disturbed and AHDH kids. I saw a lot of that behavior. Of course back then I wasn't diabetic so I never connected it to food but it could have very well been. He may also have some type of food allergy. I think a full medical workup with a team of doctors is in order to get to the bottom of this.

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A friend's son, in his 40's now, was like this as a kid. He was always getting in trouble in school for his hyperactivity - was put on ritalin at one point. When he was in grammar school I was trying to figure out what else it could be, and there was a book then about sugar, and talking about sugared cereals, etc that kids eat, and connecting it to hyperactivity. I was pretty much pooh-poohed when I kept bringing it up ...

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... He may also have some type of food allergy. I think a full medical workup with a team of doctors is in order to get to the bottom of this.
I agree. A friend of mine had a very difficult child when she was a toddler. Very hyper, had fits of rage, hitting out, when corrected. Mother was at her wits end. One day she spanked the child so hard it left bruses. She was horrified and went to the doctor and told him he had to find out what was the matter with her.

He ran allergy tests. She was allergic to a lot of foods, including tomato and pork. Guess what her lunch was every day - yup - hotdogs and catsup! The child did a complete turnaround when the foods she was sensitive to were eliminated.

That said - The carb connection to MCS's grandson is striking. Brings back memories of my hypoglycemia days when low blood sugar would make me very irritable.

It would be good, also, to check gluten intolerance, as that can cause mood swings and even violet behavior in children.

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