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Old 11-03-2012, 15:41   #11
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When using ketosis to address diabetes by training cells to use alternatives to glucose and then supplying those alternatives, there is zero room for cheating.

It takes a minimum of 3 days (some folks take longer) to just enter ketosis. After 3 weeks, the brain is typically 90% switched over and adaptation is ongoing. (Not "dogma", this is from a clinical study.)

A SINGLE "cheat" sets you back to square one meaning you will need at least 3 days just to reset basic ketosis and a month and possibly more to get back to where you were in terms of keto-adaptation. Your liver fills back up with glycogen and cells begin needing and demanding glucose and are no longer amenable to its alternatives.

So, when using this approach, "cheating" is utterly unthinkable, unless you enjoy serious setbacks and "re-do's" which take days, weeks or even months of renewed discipline.
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On the wife, NEVER.

On food, occassionally.

I'll be seeing my doc this week and I expect my A1C to be the lowest ever. We'll see.

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under 100 for a month .��
Do you mean you didn't have more than 100 on any meal?

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Since I have just been diagnosed recently I can't say that I am cheating. I am still in the stage of research so to speak. I am checking my blood 12-15 times a day. Figuring out what I can eat, can't eat and what should be eatten in moderation. Yesterday was one of those Ah-Ha moments. Ate mexican food. My preperandial (?) count was 98. I ate chicken and steak fajita meat (1/2 order) with onion and bell pepper, sour cream, avacado, 1 tortilla, 5 chips and unsweet tea.
1 hour postperandial 173, 2 hours postperandial 181. So I learned that even in moderation regular tortillas and tortilla chips are off limits. The other day I ate the same meal excluding the tortilla and chips and I only raised my count by 20.
I don't know if I will "cheat", but rather "feed a craving" with a bite or two when I feel I just have to have something. We shall see though, easier said than done sometimes.

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I don't cheat often, but when I do it is not higher carb content items. I just OD on pecans, walnuts, etc. This is extra carbs and protein, but I believe there are other benefits to it also, as in HDL.

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Judy, I almost went into shock twice. First when I read John's post and then yours. I cant ever imagine him cheating...

He has 'predictably' set the record straight

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Judy, I almost went into shock twice. First when I read John's post and then yours. I cant ever imagine him cheating...

He has 'predictably' set the record straight


Depends on what is a cheat to you...almost as amusing as what is 'normal'.

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I don't cheat often, but when I do it is not higher carb content items. I just OD on pecans, walnuts, etc. This is extra carbs and protein, but I believe there are other benefits to it also, as in HDL.
Or pistachios or macadamia nuts!




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I am still in the stage of research so to speak. .
I guess technically I'm still in research mode, and will try to stretch this out as long as my numbers stay good. And in fact, I will do the glucose tolerance (intolerance?) test in two weeks and then I suppose I'll have a better idea of what's going on with me. But, so far so good....

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A SINGLE "cheat" sets you back to square one meaning you will need at least 3 days just to reset basic ketosis and a month and possibly more to get back to where you were in terms of keto-adaptation. Your liver fills back up with glycogen and cells begin needing and demanding glucose and are no longer amenable to its alternatives.

So, when using this approach, "cheating" is utterly unthinkable, unless you enjoy serious setbacks and "re-do's" which take days, weeks or even months of renewed discipline.
I am coming around to your way of thinking. The problem for me is that there doesn't seem to be "small cheat" option in my brain. Just one cookie or a tiny piece of birtday cake or even a savory cheat like crackers or pizza or pasta will set me off with carb cravings that feel terrible and I often give in at this point so that the little cheat ends up in a total debacle.

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