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Old 05-14-2013, 18:37   #1
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Aint the doctors in a tizz. Wait until they see this forum.
It ll be back to the drawing board for them

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Aint the doctors in a tizz. Wait until they see this forum.
It ll be back to the drawing board for them
At least with the salt issue, it's between medical professionals whereas with this forum they would argue that we are not adequately knowledgeable. I mean, we just have to live with diabetes right?

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I'm not sure that I would consider the word of an allopath to be very valid either way. I've read that the average couch potato outlives them by 8 years. But then I have also read that the couch potato outlives them by conserving what little nutrients are in his food by having less activity.

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I'm not sure that I would consider the word of an allopath to be very valid either way. I've read that the average couch potato outlives them by 8 years. But then I have also read that the couch potato outlives them by conserving what little nutrients are in his food by having less activity.
That just proves there's a method to everyone's madness! :P

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I'm not sure that I would consider the word of an allopath to be very valid either way. I've read that the average couch potato outlives them by 8 years. But then I have also read that the couch potato outlives them by conserving what little nutrients are in his food by having less activity.
Well if the salt controversy is anything like the advice given to me from my former diabetes doctor, the rock in my garden would do better and it will outlive the allopath and the couch potato.

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I've had to cut back on salt, but am unable to cut it out. I get dreadful edema, and this has to be mitigated. I take Lasix (frusemide) and this helps, but so does reducing salt intake. I've reduced my intake by half (its hard, for a salt addict!) and found that my BP loves that as much as it loves the lasix. I take a little more if I start getting leg cramps at night which is happening far less than it used to.

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Most long term studies find no benefit on salt restriction just the contrary. A few benefit if you have kidney problems that impede salt regulation. But salt is the pet peeve of few academics that just like fat they are on crusade to control and to impose on food manufacturer and the general public.

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I think it's a good thing that a scientific body that can't easily be ignored is calling BS on current very-low target of 1,500 mg. I hope the discussion continues!

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I've had to cut back on salt, but am unable to cut it out. I get dreadful edema, and this has to be mitigated. I take Lasix (frusemide) and this helps, but so does reducing salt intake. I've reduced my intake by half (its hard, for a salt addict!) and found that my BP loves that as much as it loves the lasix. I take a little more if I start getting leg cramps at night which is happening far less than it used to.
Look into the potassium based salt substitutes or potassium supplement if your restricting salt and getting cramps.

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