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Old 05-15-2013, 16:49   #1
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This has been on my mind ever since my diagnosis, I would like to know what other people's thoughts are about this...
Last year my husband and I after doing a reasonable amount of research, decided to follow a vegan low fat, high complex carb diet. We were eating lots of fruit and veggies, and as a meal base either grains or starchy vegetables. There are several books and programs like this designed by doctors, that are supposed to improve our health and longevity. We were doing well, no cheating. After awhile, I wasn't feeling so great, a lot of indigestion especially when eating rice. In looking back, I think this eating program is what pushed my BG to extremely high levels. Now I am not saying it gave me diabetes, I might have already had it at lower levels, but I think this diet put me over the edge. When I switched to LCHF, my BG immediately started coming down to much better levels. Lesson learned. Although, my husband did well with the diet.
I know for a fact there are several books out there written by doctors stating that a vegan diet can "cure" diabetes. They claim to have a lot of research that backs this up. I am wondering after my own experience how this could possibly be true, even though the research seems quite convincing. I find htis very confusing!

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About the books, as a psychiatrist told me once on a trip..."remember all paper takes ink" and books make money! That made sense to me and still does.

It could well be that the way of eating did 'tip' you over into this situation. As someone said yesterday no known community ever tried to eat that way for long.

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My thought from your headline was why "vs.?" I am a LCHF vegetarian.

But then, I read VEGAN. Ooooooooooooh.

Don't do that. It is not worth what it will do to your health, and to your diet motivation. I could NOT sustain that diet!!! This one, vegetarian with eggs and HF dairy and coconut oil, and olive oil and nuts, I think I can sustain indefinitely!

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When I was first dx, I had already often watched Patrick Holford and were pretty hooked into his way of thinking about the correct way of eating. It somewhat made perfect sense to get his 'cure for diabetes' diet book, only to discover that there is NO CURE...as yet! Thanks to this forum who puts it quite eloquently, that a cure means you can eat anything you like afterwards or rather when your numbers get into 'normal' range. Should one try that, it will just shoot back up again and we're back to square one. There is no cure just yet as I am sure this forum would find it first, other than to go with the LCHF which is the best solution at present.

If however that research you mention is the answer, would you care to elaborate?

"The proof is always in the pudding"

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When you see research you got to look at the quality and especially with what is compared with. A high carb diet of potatoes and fruits can be better than one of pizza and Big Macs but that doesn’t make it optimal. You got to be careful taking advice from most vegan doctors because beside the profit motive other have mention they have a strong bias because their main concern is one ethical for the animals and they just try to accommodate the science to justify their world views.

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I personally beleive that eating products of healthy animals is the best thing for humans, some people are vegitarians for ethical or other believe reasons some are beacuse they dont trust the meat (meat from unheatly animals) these are all valid reasons but as FOXL pointed out avoiding all animal products will deprive you of nuttrients that humans require and therefore is not sustainable. You can do LCHF with or without meat. I eat meat, but I am concerned about the health and quality of the meat that I get.

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Check out the Vegetarian Myth book for more on why being vegan may actually harm you and why it isn't unethical to eat animals. I do LCHF while eating as much ethically sourced meat from local farms as I can.

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I am not a big fan of going to the zoo, but every few years the wife and kids make me go, every time it makes me hungry. Some people see abuse to animals I see an exotic buffet that I can't eat

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rrm884 - I will tell you, people will argue about this from a professional standpoint until they're blue in the face. Everyone thinks "their way" is the best way. Whether it's those pushing vegan or vegetarian, or LCHF, or some other way for diabetics. The reason why I wanted to comment on your post is that about five years ago, I started following a very strict vegan way of eating, for several different reasons. I ate completely vegan, without ever consuming anything non-vegan for around three years or so. I will tell you the main reason I stopped - I started to develop major problems with my gums & teeth. I have no history of gum disease or dental problems. My dentist immediately recommended that I rethink my vegan diet due to these issues.

Now, if I were to tell a vegan that I developed problems, they'd argue it to death even if I'd show 'em my dental bills from that time. As mentioned above, when you believe your way is the "right" way, there's no telling people otherwise! Also, when I look back on those years, I can see how my blood sugar was at an all-time high even though I hadn't been diagnosed yet and wasn't testing.

For what it's worth, you make a very valid point and I'd love to hear the reasoning how eating a vegan diet can be beneficial for diabetics. I'm sure I'd get a good laugh out of it.

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