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Old 03-08-2014, 14:45   #1
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Type 2 diabetes is progressive and incurable; so says the medical establishment. Given the many posts from individuals on this board claiming success in maintaining BG numbers normal, I donít know that I am prepared to accept what the medical establishment claims as fact.

Has anyone off all diabetes medication and posting normal BG and A1c numbers checked to see the degree to which he/she remains insulin resistant? Has anyone become less insulin resistant over time?

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HI amp7. First type 2 is progressive, if you let it. Is it curable, not at this point in time.

There are several on the forum with what I call better than normal numbers not on medication. I think the majority of "normal" people are running higher than normal BG due to the carb laden diets that have become the 'norm' under the guise of 'healthy'.

Welcome to the forum. Are you by chance diabetic? If so go over to the "introduction" and tell about your diagnosis, what your BG runs, what you eat, what meds you take, etc. Ask all the questions you want, the limit is a jillion and that limit will be raised when you meet it.

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Tks for the reply. Will do.

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Iím only 10 months into learning about diabetes so I still have lots to learn. I realize that there is no definition for the word cure when it comes to diabetes. Consequently cure is not possible if no one defines what a cure consists of.

Nevertheless, would you not agree that it should at least be possible to determine in an objective manner whether or not oneís state of health is improving. For example, it should be possible to determine if insulin resistance is increasing, decreasing, or remaining constant.

I realize that we are all different, that one personís diet may not work for someone else, and that the amount of damage done prior to being diagnosed may well impact oneís prognosis. Regardless of these differences, IMHO, one should not be deterred from trying to learn as much as possible from those who show positive results.

What I find most frustrating is seeing hundreds if not thousands of anecdotal reports of success in pushing back this disease and little if any effort by the medical community to study these individuals; to find that common thread.

Hence the reason for my initial post; does anyone ever check to see if they are becoming less insulin resistant over time?
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Iím only 10 months into learning about diabetes so I still have lots to learn. I realize that there is no definition for the word cure when it comes to diabetes. Consequently cure is not possible if no one defines what a cure consists of.

Nevertheless, would you not agree that it should at least be possible to determine in an objective manner whether or not oneís state of health is improving. For example, it should be possible to determine if insulin resistance is increasing, decreasing, or remaining constant.

I realize that we are all different, that one personís diet may not work for someone else, and that the amount of damage done prior to being diagnosed may well impact oneís prognosis. Regardless of these differences, IMHO, one should not be deterred from trying to learn as much as possible from those who show positive results.

What I find most frustrating is seeing hundreds if not thousands of anecdotal reports of success in pushing back this disease and little if any effort by the medical community to study these individuals; to find that common thread.

Hence the reason for my initial post; does anyone ever check to see if they are becoming less insulin resistant over time?
I don't specifically care too much about insulin resistance per se since I believe that eating ketogenically makes it irrelevant. High-fat eating INDUCES insulin resistance, above and beyond the pathological one which came with T2, in order to, among other things, get most of your cells onto alternative fuels, thereby circumventing the original problem.

Having said that, I do have a plan to attempt to do what you've said. My plan is to do a self-administered OGTT once per year and see if there's a trend. I finally found glucose for sale, bought a 500g jar and weighed out my first 75g.

Now, I'm just trying to get up the courage!

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I was also thinking of doing the OGTT test once I get more consistency in my readings. Please let people know how it works out. Who knows, if we start sharing objective info on the Net, we may find out what works. I’d be happy to let the researchers figure out why it works.

I was unaware that high fat induced insulin resistance. Will need to do some reading on that one.

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Everything is progressive in life because we all are getting older and the older you get the more your whole body functions decline. But with good care you can keep afflictions and complications at bay at least for very long. No we aren't going to live for ever at least not with the human body. If you take care of your diabetes you can avoid complications and live as normal live as your genetics and particular environmental factors allow.

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This may be me misunderstanding physiology. But, a large number of people are obese or morbidly obese when they are DXd. On LCHF, not really changing caloric intake, they lose weight naturally, almost as a side-effect. I am talking about significant weight loss, not the initial glycogen adjustment to eating LCHF. I know we are talking about using a different fuel system. But, I have always kind of assumed that implied something is getting fixed and the body is better able to process what it takes in.

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Is there any kind of test that measures insulin resistance? Or is it assumed because of certain conditions being met.

I used to think my insulin resistance was lessening, especially when eating LCHF, but I'm inclined now to agree with Salim - being in ketosis circumvents the insulin issues.

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This may be me misunderstanding physiology. But, a large number of people are obese or morbidly obese when they are DXd. On LCHF, not really changing caloric intake, they lose weight naturally, almost as a side-effect. I am talking about significant weight loss, not the initial glycogen adjustment to eating LCHF. I know we are talking about using a different fuel system. But, I have always kind of assumed that implied something is getting fixed and the body is better able to process what it takes in.
Is not a misunderstanding a lot of obese diabetics are secreting to much insulin because of insulin resistance. Decreasing carbs decrease the excess insulin that allow them to loose weight, since insulin is a fat storage hormone.

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