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Old 03-11-2014, 14:32   #21
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Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories and advice, not only have you given me much to think about, I had a few good laughs as well!

After looking at my appointments, I was mistaken, the next session is Tuesday March 18th.

Even though I'd like to skip the remaining sessions based on the information about diet, the fact is, I did learn a couple of things in the first session that are useful (like how to use my meter). Having and using that meter showed me that their diet advice doesn't work for me. That lead me to this place that gave me diet advice that does work for me so in the end it all worked out.

So I have decided to go. I probably will learn something, but even if I get nothing out of the remaining 2 sessions, they might learn something from me, or possibly another diabetic might learn to question what is best for themselves.

Thanks for helping me think this through, Ill be sure to let you all know how it went.

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...So I have decided to go. I probably will learn something, but even if I get nothing out of the remaining 2 sessions, they might learn something from me, or possibly another diabetic might learn to question what is best for themselves.
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There are several type 2 diabetics in my department at work and probably more that don't even know. Most think they can eat what they want and just add meds. Its just the easiest thing to do, and doing this is not just human nature. I don't try to preach or keep after them that that's the wrong way to approach taking care of themselves. It is hard to turn around the thinking that has been programmed into us for most of our lives. Like you, I hope to make at least one realize that what they have been doing is not working, before damage is done. I think the best way to be able to defend my position and have any chance to influence someone, is by also knowing what the other side is doing.
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Old 03-19-2014, 14:07   #23
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Well, I went to the second class last night. Some of you may remember my "red or blue" introduction post. It was very much like returning to the matrix after living in reality for the past 3 weeks.

The first half of the class was led by a diabetic nurse. Some of her information was actually useful (but nothing new to me). The shocking thing was the extremely high target BGL recommendations and then add to that, only 75% of readings need to be in target for "good control" - and that's with the recommended 3 tests per day! Sadly, no one in the class (besides myself) reached 75% of their inflated targets. She asked the class to circle every test (going back two weeks) that was over the target and then do the math to figure that out. When she came to me she asked me why I didn't circle anything and I told her I had nothing to circle. Then she asked me "you didn't have any over your target?" and I replied well yeah, I had one at 149 and another at 139, but nothing over 160.

Knowing I had this class coming up, I entered the required information into the little log book they gave me in the first class, but after the first 3 days and "taking the red pill" I started my own spread sheet so I could test before, one hour and two hours after eating along with a full description of what I ate. I printed out a copy of that to bring to class and showed it to her and then pulled out my meter and showed her the one week, two week, and thirty day average BGL I've had. With wide eyes she looked at me and said "you are doing very good". Well, yeah, based on my BGL I'm no longer a diabetic (of course I know better).

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, before class they weighed each of us. I weighed 14 pounds less than I did in the first class. The other people in the class either weighed the same or gained a little. Every one of them complained about being hungry all the time (in the second half of the class).

At the end of the first half we had to fill out a form that had 5 things to choose from that we could improve on by the next class, explain why, what might prevent us from doing it and how much did we think we would succeed. Honestly, there was nothing on the list I hadn't already been doing successfully (except my diet) for the last 30 years of my life so I was forced to make something up so I could put something on the form.

Of the two halves of the class, that was the good half!

The second half was with the dietician. You know the song, HCLF. I wanted to scream at her for what she was telling these poor people what to eat. I think my tongue is a half an inch shorter from all the times I had to bite it last night.

For 35 minutes she was explaining portion size and how to do it without actually measuring, and of course, measure your portions, eat less, move more. This is where everyone (except me) complained about being hungry most of the time. All I could think of while that was discussed was how I am never hungry, I eat until I'm not hungry and I don't eat if I'm not hungry, I don't even think about it, it just happens. I never measure anything I only watch my carbs. I love what I eat now, I feel great and the weight is coming off.

It would take more time than I have to write down all the things I've noticed improving since I went LCHF. I know it's not for everybody, but for me and my meter, it's the best way I know how to eat.

After class, on my way out of the hospital, the diabetic nurse sought me out. She asked me if I was really testing so many times each day and asked if my insurance covered all the strips. She told me I don't need to test that much. I told her, of course I test that much, it's the only way I know what's safe for me to eat. As for my insurance, they cover 50 strips a month and I'm on my third bottle of 50 this month. I told her I found them on Amazon for a reasonable price and I am an ex smoker, I could always find the money for that, this is cheaper than that. I simply have to know what I can and can not eat.

Did I sign up for the next class? No not yet, in fact I'm going to call my Doctor and ask to be excused from the remaining classes. If he insists I'll explain why. If he doesn't get it, I'll find a Doctor that does.

From this experience I now know I don't handle this well. It left me wishing I could do more to help end this insanity. In that spirit, I no longer wish to pay the salaries of people that push this woe on diabetics. I want to support people that actually help diabetics.

At the start of my life after being diagnosed, I was terrified. I lost family to this disease and I was pretty certain losing my feet and eye sight followed by an early death was in my future. Thanks to the good people here that pointed me in the right direction I now look forward to a normal life and a diet I can live with, actually it's a diet I enjoy.

I thank you all for sharing your experience so openly. I can only hope that what little I contribute might help someone else.

Enjoying LCHF,
Tom

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You could go to one more class and on the way out, hand out little slips of paper with the URL of this forum on them. I might go as far as to hand them out on the way in, with an added message of the stuff they are teaching in this class is BS and still harmful and then not stay. Second thoughts on that is I would not do it that way, I would probably stay and make an arse of myself.

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Amazes me how unaware of our situations we can be at times. I saw a woman on TV years ago who'd had HIV for many years, but it had not progressed into AIDS. She was saying, "the doctors should be studying ME, but nobody is".

You'd think the others in class would be asking what you were doing differently.

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Tom, thanks for sharing your experience. This post should be a stickie. It says it all.

I'm now wondering how many other diseases are addressed and being mistreated by those working in the healthcare industry?

I do know there seems to be a huge push right now in the US for knee replacements and rotator cuff repairs. Seems everyone I talk to about healthcare is either having one or someone in their immediate family is.

I'm hearing now how these procedures are not working as well as promised at the onset and how in many cases quality of life has not improved and in some cases is worse than before.

Sadly for me, MDs now will be added to the list of those that I could once unequivocally trust, but now have to looked at as a salesman pushing what benefits themselves and their employer first, and me second.

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I know how you feel bignick.

About 8 years ago I developed a frozen shoulder. It got so bad I could no longer sleep through the night because of the pain. I went to 3 different doctors over the next six months. I followed their advice and even had physical therapy as prescribed - it only got worse. All the therapy people kept insisting, no pain no gain.

A friend at work recommended his doctor and I gave that a shot. At the time he was a few years away from retirement. I of course had all my medical records sent to his office before actually seeing him.

At my first appointment he walked into the room with a folder full of my records and he was studying them. He introduced himself and continued studying them for another five minutes. He then looked me in the eyes and started asking questions about my condition. As he continued asking questions, he was checking everything you would get in a routine physical.

To make a long story short, he sent me to a specialist. He mentioned it is where he would go if he had a frozen shoulder.

What a difference. the therapy given was so painless, I looked forward to every session. The new specialist pointed out that the pain was from lack of blood to my nerves and muscles, in fact he said they were experiencing what heart muscles experience in a heart attack. The cure is relieving the pain by increasing the blood flow. Increased pain meant less blood flow and no healing. In three short weeks I was cured - never had another issue with it either.

If your doctor looks at a computer screen for 10 seconds and asks you what seems to be the problem - you may want to look for a better partner to help with your health.

I no longer see the doctor I mentioned above, he's semi retired now and only sees a few select patients. I now see his son in the same office. Because I really respect his Dad, I'll see how it goes on my three month follow up visit. I plan to lay all my cards on the table and see if we can become partners in my health care.

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I know how you feel bignick.

About 8 years ago I developed a frozen shoulder. It got so bad I could no longer sleep through the night because of the pain. I went to 3 different doctors over the next six months. I followed their advice and even had physical therapy as prescribed - it only got worse. All the therapy people kept insisting, no pain no gain.

A friend at work recommended his doctor and I gave that a shot. At the time he was a few years away from retirement. I of course had all my medical records sent to his office before actually seeing him.

At my first appointment he walked into the room with a folder full of my records and he was studying them. He introduced himself and continued studying them for another five minutes. He then looked me in the eyes and started asking questions about my condition. As he continued asking questions, he was checking everything you would get in a routine physical.

To make a long story short, he sent me to a specialist. He mentioned it is where he would go if he had a frozen shoulder.

What a difference. the therapy given was so painless, I looked forward to every session. The new specialist pointed out that the pain was from lack of blood to my nerves and muscles, in fact he said they were experiencing what heart muscles experience in a heart attack. The cure is relieving the pain by increasing the blood flow. Increased pain meant less blood flow and no healing. In three short weeks I was cured - never had another issue with it either.

If your doctor looks at a computer screen for 10 seconds and asks you what seems to be the problem - you may want to look for a better partner to help with your health.

I no longer see the doctor I mentioned above, he's semi retired now and only sees a few select patients. I now see his son in the same office. Because I really respect his Dad, I'll see how it goes on my three month follow up visit. I plan to lay all my cards on the table and see if we can become partners in my health care.
Your reply reminds me of an experience I had a few years ago. I started rock climbing when I was 50, about 14 years ago. It's hard on your knees, especially mine as I often work on my knees and have for 40 years. Anyway, climbing brought a lot of pain to my knees and made me realize how weak they were. Also I did a fair amount of hiking, still do and I noticed I'd get knee pain and weakness doing extended hikes down steep rocky trails for several miles.

Doing more climbing and working into ice climbing and doing more and more hiking has built up my leg muscles. Now for years I've had no knee pain at all. I can hike for all day up and down incredibly steep terrain and mountains with no pain at all. The next day I feel as I've done nothing out of the ordinary.

I used to have chronic back pain as well and sciatica and I believe a pinched nerve for 20 years. I'd crawl out of bed and it would be an hour before I could stand and I'd walk crooked for a few days until the pain would subside. Hiking and strengthening my core has put this totally behind me. No back pain at all in over a decade. No medical intervention.

I'm totally convinced exercise and increasing blood flow will cure most any muscular or skeletal related issue. A positive attitude will go a long way too :-)

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I thoroughly enjoyed your account of your D class and think you have done a great job of planting seeds with the educators as to how this illness can be managed. Even if you reach one person it will be worth the frustration.

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