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Old 04-11-2014, 15:44   #11
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Some experts have predicted that 75% who somehow resist the onslaught of the modern diet and DON'T get diabetes may drop as low as 45% (i.e., diabetes rates of 55%) in only a few coming decades, three or so. What use is genetics at that point? It's about what we eat. It keeps getting worse and diabetes keeps getting more and more.

How come 2/3 of us today apparently wouldn't have gotten D prior to 1970 (statistically speaking). So, are we "genetically predisposed" or are we NOT? That just doesn't compute. And if and when as predicted D rates to go 55%, what about those "new" 55%? In today's world they were "not" genetically predisposed but in the future they will? Genetics is not changing. The crap we eat is and it ain't getting better for most of the population.
Genetics is not only fixed DNA but epigenetics changes due to methylation caused by environment that can be passed on to the next generation. So as I have said before yes environment counts is one of many triggers just is more complex that just alone they cause all the diabetes. There is a genetic component in most diabetic. We can't also rely on predictions most are predicated on getting more money for drugs research and funding for the usual suspects "the official health organizations".

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One of the biggest risk factors for type 2 diabetes is being overweight, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Being overweight causes type 2 diabetes. Eating sugar does not cause diabetes.
Candy,

You might like to have a read of this?

You Did NOT Eat Your Way to Diabetes. The REAL Causes.

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Candy, You might like to have a read of this? You Did NOT Eat Your Way to Diabetes. The REAL Causes.

Thanks, I'd be happy to read this. Just curious of the source. Is it from the ADA?

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Candy, you should really check out that whole Blood Sugar 101 site. It's as far from the ADA as you can get while remaining on the same internet.

I think the causes of D are complex. I do not think it's caused by being fat. I do believe strongly that my own Type 2 was caused by overeating sugar and carbs as a child. It was partially due to medicating myself with food, partially due to fat being the villain, so you eat carbs, and you're constantly hungry.

I am so happy to finally feel full on the LC/HF diet. There are so many more benefits, but if that were the ONLY benefit, it would still be worth it.

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Thanks, I'd be happy to read this. Just curious of the source. Is it from the ADA?
No, as silvertiger has said, it's just one section in Blood Sugar 101

That site contains information based on scientific research - to which links are provided by the site author who is herself a type 2 diabetic.

In certain areas it has some very unkind things to say about the ADA standards but you must judge for yourself whether you feel those views are justified.

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Genetics is not only fixed DNA but epigenetics changes due to methylation caused by environment that can be passed on to the next generation. So as I have said before yes environment counts is one of many triggers just is more complex that just alone they cause all the diabetes. There is a genetic component in most diabetic. We can't also rely on predictions most are predicated on getting more money for drugs research and funding for the usual suspects "the official health organizations".
Epigenetics by definition can't be "causes" of anything. They are EFFECTS of something else and then mechanisms for other changes. Whatever CAUSED them to be expressed is the ultimate cause.

This could indeed explain why the traditional Inuit on their "pre-agriculture" diet had neither type 1 or type 2 diabetes. Type 2 could happen immediately, but maybe Type 1 had to be passed down in this way.

It makes a lot more sense when you take a multi-generational point of view.

Maybe 55% in 35 years came from the type of orgs you mentioned (not sure), but the three-fold increase since 1970 - arrived at independently in each of the US and Canada did not. There is wide agreement on that estimate.

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One of the biggest risk factors for type 2 diabetes is being overweight, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Being overweight causes type 2 diabetes. Eating sugar does not cause diabetes.
Not in my case it didn't. I lost my first 35 pounds just by skipping lunch. That might have been "calorie restriction" or maybe it was intermittent fasting, not sure. But, it worked only thing is it took 6 years.

The next 35 pounds were lost eating low-carb and very high fat. I was eating more "calories" than at any other point in my life - about 3,600 per day. Lost all THOSE pounds in less than a year. Now, three years later, my weight is completely stable and only varies between 165 and 167. I usually eat much less than before, I would guess somewhere between 1600 and 2000. But sometimes I eat much more or less "calories" - because I ALWAYS eat precisely how much I feel like eating - and my weight is unaffected.

When my diet was high in calories most from carbs, it took me up to 236 pounds. Subsequently, it was even higher in "calories" but from a different mix of nutrients and I lost weight more and quicker than I ever dreamed would happen in my lifetime.

It is probably more accurate to say that obesity and diabetes have common causes rather than obesity "causes" diabetes. I think the science has moved on from that antiquated notion.
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One of the biggest risk factors for type 2 diabetes is being overweight, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Being overweight causes type 2 diabetes. Eating sugar does not cause diabetes.
Actually, eating sugar DOES cause diabetes (in the presence of other factors of course). Check out the video.

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One of the biggest risk factors for type 2 diabetes is being overweight, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Being overweight causes type 2 diabetes. Eating sugar does not cause diabetes.
Being overweight does not cause type 2 diabetes any more than eating sugar does. Please cite your sources or refrain from posting misinformation like this.




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Our pet epidemic is a mix of sugar with genetics and environmental factors.

Genetic factors are not yet fully revealed.

Known environmental factors include:

-- The introduction of genetically modified wheat to all corners of the populated world. Apparently, wheat's never been our friend -- diabetes popped up wherever the oldest forms were introduced -- yet it's now the basis of almost all modern cuisines.

-- Removal of fat from modern, Western-style diets.

-- The flood of high-fructose corn syrup in modern, Western-style diets.

All of the above lead to disastrous health policies, bad medical advice and drastically reduced choices for the metabolically challenged.

As for the ADA's recommended glucose levels ...

When I was diagnosed, I was given a goal A1c of 6.0 - 6.7, with desired post-prandials of 160-180. Do the math. Does not compute, right? The best A1c you can get with those post-prandials is 7.0 - 7.9 -- which is what my health plan now advises.

The new guideline is mathematically achievable; I'll give it that. One tiny problem is that complications are 100% guaranteed.

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