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Old 05-24-2014, 18:56   #1
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Default The juicer debate, we have all had it, if not, you will!

So I went out last night, ran into some friends I had not seen in a while, newer friends but nice people. There was another couple there and health, nutrition and diets came up. The newer couple, she was a nurse, he had some health issues and had lost a kidney, and was as she put it, borderline diabetic. I of course went on my phone and showed her and him the forum and recommended they join and I hope they do, nice people.

At some point in the conversation it came about my other friend, she is a juicer, she became one a little over a year ago and lives, eats, breaths juice. Her husband was going through chemo treatments and is in remission happily but she had discovered juicing and I explained how it is a shame we have to end up in bad situations in order to realize how important a proper diet is.

Then I was asked about me juicing, I am certain there are some who do and that is awesome, I just have my own methods and still fine tuning them but I'm not a juicer but I do applaud those that are.

Here is where the fun began, I said, I am on the low carb high fat diet and I try and stay below 40 to 50 grams of carbs per day and set a goal of higher natural fats. You'd think someone had turned off the juke box and not one other person in the bar was talking, they were looking at me like I shot someone.

I was asked, Why would I ever subject myself to such high fat levels, what about my ldl's what about my triglycerides, what about this that, I had to have gotten 20 questions in a matter of 5 seconds. Before I could even reply to anything I was being lectured on how I had to stop that, it was going to kill me and she was going to help me. Sorry, at that point all I heard was blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. Not really good at being lectured, can professionally tune it out. I have my ex to thank for that skill.

I ended up having a one on one discussion with the nurse and she understood, has heard of it and was actually looking forward to reading more into it and knew what I was talking about. The other side of that was, no matter what I said or did, my friend the juicer is determined to save me from myself.

Have any of you ever had a debate with someone preaching their methods better? Why can't people just accept that everyone is different, and any good change, be it LC/HF, Juicing, vegan, any improvement that is fitting to them, is a positive, no one way is the end all do or die way!

OK, it wasn't that much of a debate as a shocking lecture about how I am going to die on LC/HF. Ya but I'm happy, I got bacon and lots of it! Who can't be happy with bacon?

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I am sure juicing has some healthy aspects (getting people to consume more fruits and veggies). I have never attempted to juice as I prefer and enjoy whole foods. Not to mention that I do not want to clean a juicer! But, is it really healthy? I have not done much research, but I think people juice more fruits than veggies and that is still way too much fructose.

LCHF, on the other hand, does lower BG and is proven with a meter. I can not speak for weight loss or long-term health benefits, as the jury is still out. But the diet looks promising enough to put my husband on it rather than medicating with statins for his cholesterol panel.

30 to 50 years of our government promoting a low fat diet is going to be tough to overcome. Heck, I hesitate each time I reach for oil. For the first time in my life as an adult, I purchased lard. That was a difficult purchase!

Good luck on future debates! Change has to start somewhere!

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As you might have guessed, I am not a big juicing fan.

This is my favorite video about juicing.

Jim Carrey - Juicemania (Legendado)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZMERUKErGE

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I have pretty nice juice (auger style) used it a lot, juiced mostly veggies cause I didnt like the way they tasted cooked but loved it juiced, my favorite was Kale, Carrots, Beets, Wheat Grass, Fennell & Mint. It was actually pretty sweet. I have done some juicing since but very little and no root vegies, I have juiced green beans with bitter mellon and brussel sprouts. All are supposed to be good for BG according to some internet thing i read somewhere (grain of salt), didnt notice much change in BG good or bad. Moslty I gave it up since I eat so much more veggies than I used to. But when I was doing it I definetly felt a difference in energy level. I wouldnt know since I have much much more energy than I did before I went LCHF

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I don't get the appeal. I mean, feeding veggies into a grinder is fun and all, but you lose the fiber. I love cooked veggies with butter, so it's not a problem to eat them unjuiced.

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That's an awesome word - unjuiced. You totally made me smile!

I think it's a personal preference. I have never been a juicing fan myself, but a few family members are. I've never really cared for any type of drinkable that has calories in it, other than coffee. Just preference.

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The only juicing I do is with coffee beans!!!!

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I happened to be shopping for juicers, shortly before diagnosis. I was totally hooked on juuuuice! That's a really expen$ive habit if you're getting it from kiosks/shops at the mall.

Fruit, veggie, combo ... didn't matter ... as long as it was wet (which should've been my umpty-seventh clue about what was really going on).

Today ... juicing strikes me as a way to pack a whole lotta carbohydrates into a smaller, more easily swallowed form. (With less fiber!)

Plus, now that I'm not thirsty all the time, it's sorta lost some appeal.

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Well, the more we argue, the more nuts THEY think we are, no matter what their WOE. I just want to throw my hands in the air and run away!!!

5 years after I was hospitalized for DKA, my food-obsessed coworker (I mean, she is obsessed with what OTHERS ARE EATING!!!) compelled me to send a link out about LADA and low carbing; it happened to be written by a biochemist. My boss came to me and said, "OHHHH, you have LADA! I've heard of THAT. Now, that makes sense!" I have gone from dka, to a very strict diet, to insulin, to pumping: LADY, WTH did you think I had, an imaginary disease??? FACEPALM.

Ya can't win and ya can't explain it to 'em ... not till they come crawling to you AFTER their own diagnosis, and ask you what to eat ....

Aside from coffee, I DO make a juiced concoction involving cocoa powder, vanilla, ice cubes, and coconut milk ....

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I have a 'bullet' thingie. I used to toss parsley and celery and green things in with water and make a juice-like substance with the fiber. Hmmm, may try that again.

As far as dealing with people who know they are right and I am wrong .... I stare into their eyes with my patented, eddicated idiot, completely sincere look and start citing peer-reviewed studies. And ask if they have read any of the research done since 2008? And ask if they really believe everything government and/or doctor tells them? I once promised a similar fanatic that I would make sure "I was right!" was written on his tombstone.

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