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Old 08-03-2014, 18:32   #11
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Well, if your friend has any compassionate and respectful sensibilities at all, she surely knows deep-down that she's being petulant and irrational. I hope you'll be able to get through to her that she has no excuse for upsetting you to this degree, just so she can feel like she's got braggin' rights.




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Well, if your friend has any compassionate and respectful sensibilities at all, she surely knows deep-down that she's being petulant and irrational. I hope you'll be able to get through to her that she has no excuse for upsetting you to this degree, just so she can feel like she's got braggin' rights.
I agree. We've exchanged some notes since and are agreeing that management is critical no matter what level. I don't know if I will ever get through and I really don't know if i need to- but my success in my own life is all that matters. I'm fighting decades of the ADA engraining it into the medical world's heads that certain numbers aren't good enough for serious management attention.

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You hit the nail on the head, Mollie!

I also have a lot of opportunities to get upset with fellow diabetics, especially offline. (I originally wrote "Type 2s," but then I remembered certain Type 1s whom I know personally.)

I've learned I have to take a deep breath, and reflect that -- whether we're talking causes, treatment or ways of eating -- we've all had big, steaming piles of disinformation plopped down upon us from very high places. We've been fortunate enough to see our way clear of it, but not everyone is willing (or even able) to do so ... and that's not their fault (entirely).

To acknowledge this unpleasantness is not folding, however much it feels like it, unless we give up and join them. Which we won't.

Maybe, in time, more of them will join us. Even now, more and more studies, articles and mainstream news items are popping up to confirm what we are fortunate enough to know.

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..... I'm fighting decades of the ADA engraining it into the medical world's heads that certain numbers aren't good enough for serious management attention.
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Tight Diabetes Control

Keeping your blood glucose levels as close to normal as possible can be a lifesaver. Tight control can prevent or slow the progress of many complications of diabetes, giving you extra years of healthy, active life.

But tight control is not for everyone and it involves hard work.

What Does Tight Control Mean?

Tight control means getting as close to a normal (nondiabetic) blood glucose level as you safely can. Ideally, this means levels between 70 and 130 mg/dl before meals, and less than 180 two hours after starting a meal, with a glycated hemoglobin (A1C) level less than 7 percent. The target number for glycated hemoglobin will vary depending on the type of test your doctor's laboratory uses.

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How can they make a big deal about definitely-not-normal but not excessively high (yet) BG levels when their guidelines include spikes where some kind of damage is almost certainly happening? Answer: they can't.

(180 at 2 hours? What the heck was that BG at 1 hour?)

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Exactly, Nancy. What a banana does to me is not normal- puts me way past the 140. Try a doughnut? No thanks! The calzone last month wasn't horrible, but ate a lot of fat with it. Who knows.

I was thinking the same thing- 180 at TWO hours!?

I'm not going to drop something that is working for me to prove a point. I'm happy and proud to have a BG at 5.5. That said, I'm more worried as to why hers is still high?!

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Mollie,

The issue for your friend possibly is simply that having 'educated' his body to accept the ADA standard, 150 feels fine and he probably gets false hypo signals when it goes significantly lower.

My BH has a friend, an American, currently living in Holland. She has assured Judy on several occasions that her advice is that any figure below 120 is hypoglycaemic according to her doctor.

With that mindset, trying to persuade someone that they can and should shoot for really normal numbers is seriously challenging.

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Just got schooled in private by my best friend whose D is on the more severe spectrum. we never fight, but this is a bone of contention that I call myself D. Really bugs her. Now, should I care? No. But of course I care about this bugging her as she is on meds. I didn't go after her about the food choices she makes, but I got an earful. So, I asked her to respect that I believe that Pre-D is a load of crap and FB starts at 5.9, and if I go off LCHF, and I'm going to have complications. My doctor thinks I'm 5 years away from meds. I hope to prove him wrong.

I know this group understands the tough process of justifying and explaining. Just was frustrating, exhausting, and upsetting.
I would rather have an 'imperfect' friend with whom the key problem is that of semantics than not have one

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