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Old 09-16-2014, 17:44   #41
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Would exercise move one into a lower or higher level of ketosis? Apparently exercise does affect it, otherwise, why the "sports" model.

For the purpose of this thread, we who post could preface our record with "Classic" or "Sports" model.

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Well, from the Ketonix website I guess the answer is " it depends ":

EXERCISING


When exercising your body needs more energy. Ketones is energy and will be used and during a short medium training session, your levels of ketones goes down. During a longer session, the buffer of ketones may become emptied and the process of breaking down fatty acids begun to produce more ketones. As a result of a longer session the ketones can be higher than before. Another factor is if you are keto-adapted or not. This is the real fun of monitoring your ketones, how your body works. Your body is unique and Ketonix will help you understand it better.

Apparently depends on the length and intensity of the exercise. I guess testing is the best way to find out. I will put sport in my posts from now on so everyone knows.

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I've got to get one now. I'd be interested to see what happens during a bike ride. I seem to hit a "feel good" spot while riding, sort of not as much energy early on, and then suddenly, a feeling of more energy.

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Yeah, I knew that, really, I did, but I guess I forgot. I guess it's going to make it a little more difficult to compare readings, depending on which model one has. I also think that as long as you show green or higher you are in ketosis but I am not sure what it means to have a deeper reading. As he says on the website it will be interesting to try it at different times, like after exercise, to see the difference.
If you keep that scale in mind we can compare readings. 5 green blinks on the sport is analogous to green on the standard model, more than 5 green blinks is analogous to yellow on the standard model, and yellow on the sport is analogous to a "slow red" (see below) on the standard model while red on the sport is probably correlated with a "fast red" on the standard. Maybe . . .

What's interesting to me with the Standard model (I think we should use Ketonix's terms which are "standard"--not classic as I thought--and "sport") is that sometimes it takes nearly the entire 20 seconds of blowing for my standard to turn red, other times it turns red in as little as 9 seconds. I'm dying to get some blood ketone test strips and see if that speed correlates at all to my blood ketone levels.

BUT, there are confounders that have to be considered:
If you've eaten or had much fluid intake within an hour of measuring with ketonix it could skew results.
Alcohol definitely skews results (nearly instant red in my case)
There is a time lag between when you eat, when ketones show up in blood as BHB and when they show up in breath as acetone.
And exercise, too.

Jimmy Moore has reported that the best correlation between his ketonix and blood ketone meter is in the morning while still fasting, because these other elements are not present.

I get to red most mornings, in the very last bits of my breath at about 20 seconds.


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This has been a great discussion with lots of information to consider with the Ketonix meter. I think it's important to be aware of how long it's been since one ate, and how much water one is drinking when determining when to do the test.

My mid-morning/afternoon/evening tests are usually 2 hours or more after eating, so I have been somewhat consistent in that.

Today so far... (Standard model)

early morning (fasting) yellow - after blowing 20 seconds
mid afternoon - yellow - after blowing 20 seconds

Color change after blowing would, I assume, indicate a lower level than when it changes while blowing. Mine usually changes after blowing, probably due to not eating as much fat as would be optimal for ketosis. (or maybe I had too much liquid to drink)

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I received my Standard model today (took a month to get here) and took my first reading (noon before lunch) and got a yellow. Yay - I burn ketones! I think I eat about 50 grams of carbs a day.

Does this thing always take 10 minutes to warm up the first time you plug it in??

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Possibly the first time it would be longer. Mine usually take 5 minutes. I set a timer so I can go back to it and not forget.

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When I moved mine to the kitchen table and plugged it back in, it only took 5 minutes the second time. It runs warm around the LED that is on and the charger is a little warm, too. I think I'll leave it plugged in all the time so I don't have to wait in the morning.

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I assumed it had to cool down between tests. There have been a couple times I've plugged it in to test just before bed, then promptly forgot about it and it stayed on all night. It was very warm in the morning.

I think I'd ask the Ketonix folks if it can stay on for hours at a time without any damage or shortening it's effective life.

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Today's readings (Standard model)

yellow - early morning
green - late morning
RED - late afternoon

Probably won't be testing this evening as I got little sleep last night and will probably crash early.

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