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Old 04-15-2015, 22:31   #31
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**HUGS** I would be anxious too, I hope you can become calmer over time.

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Old 04-16-2015, 10:08   #32
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**HUGS** from me too.

As you say, you are working through the stages we all experience during a major trauma.

Something that was broken has been fixed. I believe it is going to get better.

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Cardiac rehab was a mixed blessing for OWC, because they just would NOT shut up about what he should eat . . . they'd get him alone in a classroom & start in preaching the ADA crap - they gave him printouts directly from the ADA site. The physical exercises were fine, and he benefited greatly, but the stress of their constant pressure to eat the ADA diet was almost more than he could bear. I finally contacted our PCP and asked if he could get them off our backs (I was taking the course along with OWC as his support person), and God love 'im, he did! He comes through for us every time!

So do the rehab if you can, Roxanne, but brace yourself for the onslaught of dietary bull crap.
Perhaps I have been fortunate, because that has not been my experience. They don't do that here. (at least in my local program)

I would hate to see someone forgo rehab because of someone else's bad experience, in a different place.

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I have to suggest that you've indeed been fortunate, and I don't think our experience was so unique. Why would you think that any official cardiac program wouldn't include strong emphasis on how to eat 'heart healthy'? I would hate to think any other patient had to endure such harassment as we got. And Richard? I recognize harassment when I see it - especially when I'm being subjected to it.

The walls of their establishment were plastered with posters of their food pyramid, and many other instructions pushing the low-fat/high-carb method, and yet we could at least ignore those. But the constant barrage of personal lectures as well as films showing what to eat and how to prepare it. Way too much. As I said, it took our doctor's intervention to finally make them stop it. OWC was just too fragile at that stage of the game to be getting that kind of coercion from people who were entrusted with helping him. So don't ever assume that diet isn't one of their pet projects, and that plenty of patients are treated exactly as we were - hammered over the heads with their low-fat agenda.




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I have to suggest that you've indeed been fortunate, and I don't think our experience was so unique. Why would you think that any official cardiac program wouldn't include strong emphasis on how to eat 'heart healthy'? I would hate to think any other patient had to endure such harassment as we got. And Richard? I recognize harassment when I see it - especially when I'm being subjected to it.

The walls of their establishment were plastered with posters of their food pyramid, and many other instructions pushing the low-fat/high-carb method, and yet we could at least ignore those. But the constant barrage of personal lectures as well as films showing what to eat and how to prepare it. Way too much. As I said, it took our doctor's intervention to finally make them stop it. OWC was just too fragile at that stage of the game to be getting that kind of coercion from people who were entrusted with helping him. So don't ever assume that diet isn't one of their pet projects, and that plenty of patients are treated exactly as we were - hammered over the heads with their low-fat agenda.
I have only my own experience to draw on, but it hasn't happened in eight years.

Your experience saddens me, and I'm glad someone told them to knock it off.

Sometimes "enthusiasm" more closely resembles zealotry.

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It does indeed.

People in professions such as this need great insight in assessing their patients. OWC is a quiet man - not given to a lot of social interaction - has in fact suffered from social anxiety since childhood.

Their methods were detrimental and caused him much anxiety. Imagine him wanting to sink into the floorboards when every day they would be calling greetings to him from across the room and loudly announcing his progress etc. He is not some ignorant yokel to be cheered up with noisy acclaimations. He may be elderly (was 77yo at that time), but he's a well-educated man - a retired physician - and their oh-so-hearty ministrations caused nothing but misery. If it had been a single staffer, I could have understood, but the entire crew acted like adolescent cheerleaders, and that is just unnecessary and condescending when treating adult/elderly patients.




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How would they even know what I ate? LOL I just say smile and thank you and do my own thing.

I proved a point, not really in the diet area but they statins. Didn't feel like arguing with them and just took them and it cost me some of my muscle. Those CPk's went down right out and back up after the statins, so therefore have the doctor's permission to not take the statins.

All this time with my muscle weakness and not being able to walk around because of fatigue probably was the only sign of impeding doom (heart attack) and the doctor's thought I was just being dramatic(that's how I felt.

Anyway, I do my own thing with diet and exercise. The only thing I will do is take that blood thinner for one year, mainy because my life depends on it now.

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Our LCHF WoE is in our medical records because OWC eats the same as I, and our PCP has come on board with it, having seen both of us improve dramatically on our lipids profiles.




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Our LCHF WoE is in our medical records because OWC eats the same as I, and our PCP has come on board with it, having seen both of us improve dramatically on our lipids profiles.
My lipid profile was perfect this time and I have no intention of changing anything. I did what I was supposed to do to lower my risk of heart attack and I still had one. Heredity has a lot to do and I mean ALOT to do with the risk of having one.

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