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Old 12-21-2011, 17:11   #31
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So just be sure you speak up now & again . . . I've posted a few errors of my own & I trust that people who know will correct me when I'm wrong! We don't wanna lose ya!




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I wouldn't worry about posting errors, if you do I have no doubt people will chime in and we'll all learn something!!!

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I don't think either you or BloodSugar101 are wrong! Although there may be some extremely rare exceptions - as there are for just about anything - the statement is essentially true. Perhaps there could be some other condition or illness causing a hypo, but it is not caused by T2 diabetes.

A T2 who is EATING (a reasonable amount) of ANYTHING and not taking insulin or glucose-lowering drugs does not need to worry about hypos. One problem is that "hypo" has developed a "folk" definition which is different from its clinical definition. People have every right to their "feelings" if they "feel" hypo at 70 or 65, but that is not hypoglycemia and those are within normal BG range. Someone who injects too much insulin can enter a diabetic coma and DIE. A T2 who is eating food and not taking those medications cannot.

Hypoglycemics who don't eat enough or frequently enough are at risk for hypos, as are T1s or T2s or overdose on insulin or those drugs. Hypoglycemia and T2 diabetes are two different conditions. Although many people progress from hypoglycemia to T2 (not the other way around), they are different conditions and do not co-exist in the same person at the same time.

Hypoglycemia is caused mostly by excessive insulin sensitivity and/or over-production of insulin by the pancreas (quantity and/or timing) - exactly the opposite of the two main factors which cause T2 diabetes.


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Well, the truth is I haven't been posting because a while back I embarrassed myself when I posted this:



After posting that, I found out some type 2's here at the forum do have hypos. Then I remembered that instead of the forum, I had read it at bloodsugar101, so I looked that up.... Link Here. She was talking about type 2's and she said, "If you are not injecting insulin or taking a sulfonylurea drug you do NOT have to worry about hypos."

Well, if I (and bloodsugar101) was wrong about that, then how much other misinformation was I giving out on the forum?! So I quit posting. But that PhD thing got to me and I couldn't let it pass. But now I'm thinking about going back to lurking.

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For what it's worth, my father, who was a Type 2, could supposedly experience hypos. At least, that's what the doctor said following the 6-hour glucose tolerance test he used to diagnose Daddy. During the test, my father apparently swung but very high and very low and experienced symptoms on both ends of the swing. In life, though, this didn't happen. Maybe because Daddy followed a disciplined diet with strict eating times?

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I wouldn't worry about posting errors, if you do I have no doubt people will chime in and we'll all learn something!!!
You're right. I am thinking about delurking again. Thanks for the encouragement.

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I don't think either you or BloodSugar101 are wrong! Although there may be some extremely rare exceptions - as there are for just about anything - the statement is essentially true. Perhaps there could be some other condition or illness causing a hypo, but it is not caused by T2 diabetes.

A T2 who is EATING (a reasonable amount) of ANYTHING and not taking insulin or glucose-lowering drugs does not need to worry about hypos. One problem is that "hypo" has developed a "folk" definition which is different from its clinical definition. People have every right to their "feelings" if they "feel" hypo at 70 or 65, but that is not hypoglycemia and those are within normal BG range. Someone who injects too much insulin can enter a diabetic coma and DIE. A T2 who is eating food and not taking those medications cannot.

Hypoglycemics who don't eat enough or frequently enough are at risk for hypos, as are T1s or T2s or overdose on insulin or those drugs. Hypoglycemia and T2 diabetes are two different conditions. Although many people progress from hypoglycemia to T2 (not the other way around), they are different conditions and do not co-exist in the same person at the same time.

Hypoglycemia is caused mostly by excessive insulin sensitivity and/or over-production of insulin by the pancreas (quantity and/or timing) - exactly the opposite of the two main factors which cause T2 diabetes.
Beat me to the punch - and probably said it better than I would have.

I agree entirely - feeling hypo because you skipped breakfast is a whole different animal from full blown clinical hypoglycaemia and unless you are playing with insulin (or insulin producing drugs like prandin), a T2 won't normally have to worry about it.

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