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Old 03-05-2012, 20:26   #1
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All I know is I was pretty much vegan before diabetes. So no eggs, cheese or meat. Mostly fruit, veggies, brown rice, wheat pasta and tons of beans and quinoa. So it didn't work for me. I had a hard time getting enough protein unless I overdid it on the soy. I was so happy when I added back eggs, cheese and meat. I like the line cut back on the fruit juice WTH!! Why was she drinking fruit juice as a diabetic. I hope you told them to go to Dr William Davis's bog Wheat Belly. He blames modern wheat for most Heart disease and he is a cardiologist.

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This is a truckload of horsefeathers . . . and why is it there is never any distinction made between vegetarian and vegan? One is not necessarily like the other.




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But my cardiologist explained, "If you don't want to end up back here again, you will start on an plant-based diet immediately."
I am nourished by a plant-based diet everyday thank-you... it's just that I may not be the one who eats the plants directly

Isn't it Joel Salatin at Polyface Farms who describes himself as a "grass farmer"?

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On a related note there was this blog post from Petro Dobromylskyj at Hyperlipid dated yesterday... Fruit and vegetables

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I love vegetarians, my meals eat the same things they do!!!

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One of the many books I bought about diabetes before I stumbled into this forum was a book titled: " The 30 Day Diabetes Miracle". That book also promoted a plant based diet. Of the books I bought, it made a lot of sense to me. They especially demonize animal fat. The authors of the book are members of the seventh day adventists church which apparently promotes veganism although I think I saw that maybe only 50% of its members are vegan.

As I said it made a lot of sense to me, who admittedly didn't know much about diabetes at the time. Once I discovered this forum and Dr. Bernstein, I became a believer of LCHF.

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I've done lots of research on this. I've read every study EVER done on veganism for diabetes control.

Dr. Neal Barnard (of the PCRM - who are really PETA-funded animal-activists masquerading as a physicians group) is the biggest promoted, authoring two studies and at least one book... He claims to reverse diabetes, yet NONE of his studies have the patients reducing their HbA1c's below 7.0% considered 'controlled' by any expert in the field.

His only control groups have been on the high-carb diet based on the ADA-recommended dietary considerations - which we all know is designed to keep your blood glucose high, keep people on medications, etc.

There are literally dozens of peer-reviewed clinical trials showing low-carb diets, especially ketogenic, to be not only vastly superior for glycemic control, but to improve all markers of cardiac health (cholesterol ratio, triglycerides, etc.) much more than low-fat diets.

The most-successful of the vegan studies reduced HbA1c to 7.71% in their vegan group overall - and that was after more than a year of the diet. Hardly successful considering they excluded anyone who started with an HbA1c over 10.0%.

BTW that's after getting patients on a diet that ELIMINATED refined/processed carbs/sugars and refined/processed oils.

Japanese trials of outpatients reduced HbA1c's from more than 10% to less than Barnard's 7.71% with low-carb diets after only 3 months... They noted that the low-carb diet was as effective a control measure as adding insulin for Type II diabetes...

I lowered mine from 12.1% to 7.0% in barely 3 months on very-low-carb and very-high-exercise, LOL... then to 6.0%, then to 5.6% ... and now I'm shooting for a sub 5.4% in just over two weeks... LCHF with HIIT is the way to go.

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I was pretty much vegetarian most of my adult life. I feel a lot better being more carnivorous now. Who'd a thunk you'd get fat on a vegetarian diet! ( I now know better, lol). I just wish I found out about LCHF sooner.

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What I said was that it was a load of horsehockey, that I had been low-fat vegetarian but was now a low-carb vegetarian who ate plenty of eggs, butterfat, and coconut oil. I asked if the author was a spokesperson for PCRM, who shills for PETA. Of course, you will never see my original comment ... nor any other, most likely.

I say, bombard em with your thoughts. They need to know.

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Who'd a thunk you'd get fat on a vegetarian diet!
Did you ever see a lean cow or hippo? How about a lion? Farmers have known for millenia that you fatten livestock on carbohydrates -- especially grains.

It seems to have become part of our zeitgeist that fruit and veg. are the pure clean, healthy ways to eat, that will save the world from pollution etc... that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I have no issue with those who wish to pursue an animal-free way of living for moral, ethical or religious grounds -- that is your choice -- just don't try to convince me that it is healthier for me or the planet.

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I don't see any comments on the article yet Linda... maybe they have their fingers in their ears

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