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Old 03-15-2012, 13:12   #1
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So after a solid 10 days or so of LCHF, testing 7 or 8 times a day, and only going as high as 150 twice, everything else being well within normal (think 120 PP), I had a mini relapse this morning and had a bowl of high fiber flax seed and bran cereal. Just couldn't look eggs in the eye this morning. It tasted as sweet as a bowl of sugar smacks or a Krispy Kreme or something, although it had very low sugar, which is another story - how quickly your taste changes in the absence of carbs. Anyhow, at one hour PP, I was at 180. Assuming I am below 140 at two hours out, how bad is that brief spike for my body?

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So after a solid 10 days or so of LCHF, testing 7 or 8 times a day, and only going as high as 150 twice, everything else being well within normal (think 120 PP), I had a mini relapse this morning and had a bowl of high fiber flax seed and bran cereal. Just couldn't look eggs in the eye this morning. It tasted as sweet as a bowl of sugar smacks or a Krispy Kreme or something, although it had very low sugar, which is another story - how quickly your taste changes in the absence of carbs. Anyhow, at one hour PP, I was at 180. Assuming I am below 140 at two hours out, how bad is that brief spike for my body?
I wouldn't go there at all (I stay below 120 at all times), but honestly I think the jury is still out on just how bad a short-term spike like that is. I would say at least don't go there often or stay there very long. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the cereal!

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Your meter is telling you that is not a great choice. I understand not wanting to look at eggs every morning. Make some LC pancakes or blueberry muffins using almond meal. It is a nice change. I make my own hot cereal some mornings that treats my bgs pretty good. I mix ground flaxseed, chia seeds and a small amount of oat fiber in a bowl with some cinnamon. I add some liquid ( I use coconut milk- 1 carb) and nuke it in the microwave. I then add some real butter and Walden Farms 0 carb syrup on top.

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Spikes over 140 are only as bad as your bodies inability to self repair the damage from the inflammation caused from the spike. If you have a high capacity to self repair, the spike becomes less dangerous in my mind. Problem is you have no idea of your bodies ability to self repair. This is the reason some can go years with elevated BG levels and have no complications, while others have complications with even the slightest rise in BG levels.

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It's not just your meter that said "bad choice". Your taste buds did a good job by themselves. Anything that tastes very sweet is almost certainly too sweet for your condition. I used to take two sugars with my coffee. Eighteen months later, even a few grains in the coffee makes it taste disgusting!

Now if I spike at 125, I feel as bad as I did (well almost) when I went DKA. So, I don't go there even for a short time.

As @smorgan said, the jury may still be out on short term spikes so this is my personal view. I think they are quite like when you over-indulge in alchol. Do it once in a while and you pay for it with a hangover. Do it too often and you pay for it with cirrhosis.

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Makes sense to me - thanks!

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And re-reading this thread, I realized you prob'ly ate a commercial cereal which included bran & flax seed in the components. If you go back to check the label, I'm betting you'll find more ingredients like whole wheat, evaporated cane juice, corn sugar, and/or other troublesome ingredients. The nutritional values will prob'ly show a fairly high level of carbs, for us at least.




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I count something as a spike if I'm over 140 at any point. I think that as others have said, any spike will damage tissue, but your body can heal a certain amount of damage. I mean, when you get a cold your body is being damaged, but then you heal. The problem is when you constantly damage your body faster than it can repair itself, and then some tissues don't get repaired at all and after time they can never be repaired.

In short, don't stress about it but use it as a learning experience.

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I count something as a spike if I'm over 140 at any point. I think that as others have said, any spike will damage tissue, but your body can heal a certain amount of damage. I mean, when you get a cold your body is being damaged, but then you heal. The problem is when you constantly damage your body faster than it can repair itself, and then some tissues don't get repaired at all and after time they can never be repaired.

In short, don't stress about it but use it as a learning experience.
I think this is the best answer. Lol. While the other points are valid and contain excellent advice. If we don't learn what our bodies can tolerate and adjust our eating habits accordingly then all the sticks and strips and testing is pretty mush wasted pain and money. Learn from it and move forward striving not to repeat the spike.

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Because I have burnt out much of my pancreatic beta-cells (I'm not just insulin-resistant, I did a number on my pancreas from years of high sugars), I try to keep myself under 7.0mmol/L (126mg/dl) for all post-prandial numbers. I'll usually test anywhere from 45 to 60 minutes after my meal - that's where my worst spike usually comes. 75% of the time I spike under 6.5mmol/L (117mg/dl) now...

Usually during the day if I do a 'random' test, I'm anywhere from 4.5mmol/L (81mg/dl) to 6.0mmol/L (108mg/dl), and I'm very happy with those numbers.

If I go above 7.0mmol/L (126mg/dl) I personally call that an unacceptable spike... for me. I'm trying to be as gentle to my pancreas as possible, considering the lack of function my beta-cells have left. I'd like them to be able to last the rest of my life, if possible, so I take it easy on them now.

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